主题:【原创】戳穿中粉的谎言,兼指导中粉如何战斗(3) -- 虽远必诛
中粉常用经典手段就是名人大法。
经常被利用的名人有,兆铭同志,毛同志,最经典的是胡适之同志。
乖乖龙,编瞎话,都不用打草稿。
看看适之同志自己是如何说的:
所以中粉的特点就是名人效应,贪天为功。
至于那位名医陆仲安,竟然连痔疮同盆腔脓肿都分不清楚,也算厉害的可以了。如果不懂就请其他专科医生,所谓丑不错,在街上乱逛就不对了。
具体可以看这个,是正式发表的研究,不是网络抄袭外链出处
回到这个话题中药对于糖尿病是否有效?目前证据证明无效。没有明确证明有效。
还是看看Cochrane Review,还是中国人做的,而且还是中医人做的,不要说鬼子,不要说外行,(当然中粉一直一致认为自己比中医药大学的人中),不要说人家欺负中医。是真正的行业内的做的。
Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus
Jian Ping Liu1, Mei Zhang2, Weiya Wang2, Sameline Grimsgaard3
1Centre for Evidence-BasedChineseMedicine , BeijingUniversity of ChineseMedicine, Beijing, China. 2WestChinaHospital, Sichuan
University, Chengdu, China. 3National Center for Research in Alternative Medicine, University of Tromso, Tromso, Norway
Contact address: Jian Ping Liu, Centre for Evidence-Based Chinese Medicine , Beijing University of Chinese Medicine, 11 Bei San
Huan Dong Lu, Chaoyang District, Beijing, 100029, China. [email protected] . [email protected].
Editorial group: Cochrane Metabolic and Endocrine Disorders Group.
Publication status and date: Edited (no change to conclusions), published in Issue 1, 2009.
Review content assessed as up-to-date: 17 April 2004.
Citation: Liu JP, Zhang M, Wang W, Grimsgaard S. Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus. Cochrane Database of
Systematic Reviews 2002, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD003642. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD003642.pub2.
Copyright 2009 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by JohnWiley & Sons, Ltd.
A B S T R A C T
Background
Traditional Chinese herbal medicines have been used for a long time to treat diabetes, and many controlled trials have been done to
investigate their efficacy.
Objectives
To assess the effects of Chinese herbal medicines in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus.
Search strategy
We searched the following electronic databases: The Cochrane Library (CENTRAL), the Chinese BioMedical Database, MEDLINE,
EMBASE, and LILACS, combined with hand searches on Chinese journals and conference proceedings. No language restriction was
used.
Selection criteria
Randomised trials of herbal medicines (with at least two months treatment duration) compared with placebo, pharmacological or nonpharmacological
interventions were included.
Data collection and analysis
Data were extracted independently by two reviewers. The methodological quality of trials was evaluated using the parameters of
randomisation, allocation concealment, double blinding, and drop-out rates.Meta-analyses were performed where data were available.
Main results
Sixty-six randomised trials, involving 8302 participants, met the inclusion criteria.Methodological quality was generally low. Sixty-nine
different herbal medicines were tested in the included trials, which compared herbal medicines with placebo, hypoglycaemic drugs, or
herbal medicines plus hypoglycaemic drugs.
Compared with placebo, Holy basil leaves, Xianzhen Pian, Qidan Tongmai, traditional Chinese formulae (TCT), Huoxue Jiangtang
Pingzhi, and Inolter showed significantly hypoglycaemic response. Compared with hypoglycaemic drugs including glibenclamide,
tolbutamide, or gliclazide, seven herbal medicines demonstrated a significant better metabolic control, including Bushen Jiangtang
Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus (Review)
Copyright 2009 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by JohnWiley & Sons, Ltd.
Tang, Composite Trichosanthis, Jiangtang Kang, Ketang Ling, Shenqi Jiangtang Yin, Xiaoke Tang, and Yishen Huoxue Tiaogan. In 29 trials
that evaluated herbal medicines combined with hypoglycaemic drugs, 15 different herbal preparations showed additional better effects
than hypoglycaemic drugs monotherapy. Two herbal therapies combined with diet and behaviour change showed better hypoglycaemic
effects than diet and behaviour change alone. No serious adverse effects from the herbal medicines were reported.
Authors’ conclusions
Some herbal medicines show hypoglycaemic effect sin type 2 diabetes. However, these findings should be carefully interpreted due to
the low methodological quality, small sample size, and limited number of trials. In the light of some positive findings, some herbal
medicines deserve further examination in high-quality trials.
P L A I N L A N G U A G E S U M M A R Y
Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus
We are still waiting for firm evidence on Chinese herbal medicines for treatment of non-insulin-dependent diabetes. Although the use
of herbal medicines for treatment of diabetes has a long history especially in the East, current evidence cannot warrant to support the
routine use in clinical practice. This systematic review evaluates the effects of various herbal preparations (including single herbs or
mixtures of different herbs) for treating people with type 2 diabetes. The review shows that some herbal medicines lower blood sugar
and relieving symptoms in patients with diabetes. However, the methodological quality of the clinical trials evaluating these herbs is
generally poor. The analyses also indicate that trials with positive findings are more likely to be associated with exaggerated effects.
However, the trials did not report significant adverse effects. In conclusion, herbal medicines should not be recommended for routine
use in diabetic patients of type 2 diabetes until we get scientifically sound trials. Testing the herbs in larger, well-designed trials is needed
in order to establish the necessary evidence for their use.
Chinese
简单翻译一下,
(治疗回顾)
中草药治疗二型糖尿病
JianPing liu 中医实证中心,北京中医大学,
Mei Zhang 四川大学华西医院
Sameline Grimsgaard 挪威辅助医学国家研究中心
联系电邮:[email protected] . [email protected].
(意思是不服气可以直接写信,不必自己乱喷)
发表日期:2009
摘要
背景
中医草药已经被长期使用于糖尿病的治疗,已经有很多的对照试验证明有效性。
目的
检验中草药对二型糖尿病患者的疗效
检索方法
检索了The Cochrane Library (CENTRAL), the Chinese BioMedical Database, MEDLINE,EMBASE, and LILACS,数据库还有手工检索了中文期刊和会议报告。没有语言限制。(这个中粉没有话说了吧!能够作为证据的试验都找到了,从文献检索的校对没有任何额外的可能性了)
选择标准
中药随机试验(至少两个月)对比安慰剂,药物和非药物试验。
数据收集和分析
两个回顾者提取文献,实验设计的质量按照,随机原则,分组原则,双盲,还有患者推出率。对数据进行整合分析。
主要结果
66个随机试验,一同8302个参与者,符合条件。试验设计整体讲是低的。69种不同的中药被同安慰剂,降糖药或者降糖药+中药比较。
同安慰剂比较:Holy basil leaves, Xianzhen Pian, Qidan Tongmai, traditional Chinese formulae (TCT), Huoxue Jiangtang
Pingzhi, and Inolter有明显的降糖反应。
同降糖药甲磺吡脲,甲苯磺丁脲,格列本脲比较,包括Bushen Jiangtang Tang, Composite Trichosanthis, Jiangtang Kang, Ketang Ling, Shenqi Jiangtang Yin, Xiaoke Tang, and Yishen Huoxue Tiaogan 的七种有更好的代谢率控制。29个实验报告用中药加降糖药比单用降糖药好。两个中药加饮食控制,生活习惯改变要好于单用饮食控制,生活习惯改变。没有严重的副作用报告。
看到这里中粉一定兴奋的毛都竖起来了吧!看看作者的结论吧!
作者结论
一些中药表现出降糖的作用,但是这些发现应当小心的加以解释,主要是因为比较低的实验设计,小的样本数量,和有限的试验数。有鉴于一些正性的发现,某些中药值得继续在高水平的试验中检验。
感情人家还是不认可呀!
说明什么?即便是这些RCT也是非常不严谨,更遑提出个人的所谓经验,经历了。
最后看看到底这些内鬼(从中粉的角度讲)想传达什么意思?
普通语言的总结:也就是大白话,有一说一。
中草药对二型糖尿病
我们还在等待肯定的证据对于中药治疗非胰岛素依赖型糖尿病。尽管在东方有长期使用中药治疗糖尿病的历史,但是现在的证据不确保支持在临床中常规使用。(还是不支持)这个系统回顾评估了不同中药制剂(单方,复方)中药治疗二型糖尿病。本回顾显示一些中药可以降血糖和缓解症状。但是,总体上讲所有的试验审计都比较低。分析也显示有正性结果的试验大多同夸大结果相关。尽管试验没有报告明显的反面作用。总之,中药不应当被推荐为常规临床使用来治疗二型糖尿病,直到我们发现有力的试验证明。为了取得必须的证据支持使用中药,进行大规模,良好设计的试验是必须的。
这已经是非常有礼貌的拒绝了,如果任何中粉还能看出来人家支持你,那么就可以去异度空间生存了。
去看德国砍人。
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