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    • 家园 让人想起了华为中兴海外投标

      工作关系接触过太多招投标。

      很多时候投标不全是为了中标、也是为了“即使不中标也要让竞争对手吐血”。

      中国投标人一出现,其他厂商也不敢报太高——搞来搞去,他们的利润空间就被压缩了、或者指标其实满足不了到了执行阶段突然就被翻盘了。

      如果军工行业都被中国追上,美帝真的就没有什么了……

      当然军工行业比较特殊,并不全是看性能和价格。

      通宝推:二锅头上品风度,
    • 家园 土耳其国防部长辩解决定

      ANKARA — Turkey on Wednesday defended its decision to enter talks with China to acquire its first long-range anti-missile system, in spite of protests from its ally Washington.

      It also made clear that no deal had yet been finalised.

      "The Chinese gave us the best price," Defence Minister Ismet Yilmaz told Vatan newspaper, explaining that the system's Chinese manufacturer had agreed to a co-production deal with Turkey.

      Foreign Ministry spokesman Levent Gumrukcu said talks were to begin with the Chinese company, but made it clear that the selection process was still ongoing.

      "The process has not yet been finalised," he said.

      In an official statement last week, Turkey said it has "decided to begin talks with the CPMIEC company of the People's Republic of China for the joint production of the systems and its missiles in Turkey".

      China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp (CPMIEC) beat out competition from a US partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, Russia's Rosoboronexport, and the Italian-French consortium Eurosamrs in the tender.

      The original contract was worth a reported $4 billion dollars, but the Chinese bid reportedly came in at a much lower $3 billion according to Turkish media.

      The United States reacted with alarm to news that Ankara had chosen the Chinese firm, slapped with US sanctions for delivering arms to Iran and Syria, to build the air defence and anti-missile system.

      "We had asked for joint production and a technology transfer," the Turkish minister said. "If other countries cannot guarantee us that, then we will turn to ones that can."

      NATO member Turkey is a key regional ally to the United States, and currently has US-built Patriot missile systems deployed on its border to deter incoming attacks from Syria.

      Turkey wants to build its own long-range air defence and anti-missile architecture to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles.

      NATO has also raised concerns over possible compatibility issues between the Chinese-made system and others used within the alliance.

      Yilmaz dismissed its concerns, saying: "There is no problem on that front."

      The foreign ministry confirmed that Turkey had been in talks with NATO over the past few days, with Gumrukcu saying that the exchange of views with NATO allies was "only natural."

    • 家园 红旗二号给过越南吗?

      印象中越南的防空导弹都是老毛子给的?

    • 家园 就算土耳其搞个假订单跟MD傲娇,TG也没损失啊!

      打广告不付钱,对方还要付违约金。打广告还倒收钱的好事不那么多吧。心不要太大,一步步来就好!不要想一口一个大胖子。小心太胖减肥不容易,又费马达又费电。

      • 家园 对的

        而且这样下去其他国家军工厂就知道了,中国来投标、它真是可能中标的!时间长了总归有人要买中国货的,再然后么,中国投标商的节奏就是低价、低价、低价!质量还满足标书,其他厂商只能低价跟进。

        当年中兴华为主要是互相看不惯、都想杀了对方先,结果不想对方都没死还都发展了(实话说华为真是一个非常优秀的企业、甩中兴几条街),只是不小心砸死了许多花花草草。

        中国的军工企业不知道有没有这样的竞争意识,要也能跟中华、南北车似的互相PK,要不了多久很多国外同类企业就吐血了。

        • 对的
          家园 主要是运营商缺钱了,养不活这么多高利厂商

          剩下走低成本路线的几家。说中兴华为打架干掉了前面几家,演义了。

    • 家园 晨大,能不能讲一下土耳其为啥要支持东突

      是土耳其政府就是这么想,还是它国内的某些政治派别?以前火鸡国外长居然还说过什么火鸡国的边界一直延伸到中国的长城之类的浑话。

      我想是不是90年代中国内忧外患挺厉害,火鸡国想乘机占便宜,加上美国支持更是有恃无恐。

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