主题：致萨苏：我虽然和你没什么交情，但想提醒你一句，不要被人利用 -- woodbear
http://baike.baidu.com/view/614887.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders
An article published in the anti-imperialist Frontline states that Reporters Without Borders is reputed for having strong ties with the intelligence agencies of the western countries.[23] The same article stated that Cuba accused Robert Meynard, the head of RWB, of having links with the CIA.[23] The organization has denied the allegation made by Cuba. [24]
作为一个ＮＧＯ从业者，很反感这种对ＮＧＯ的过分吹捧 [ 洗心 ]
http://www.cchere.net/alist/1606931
洗心本人就做过NGO。
不要一句施先生是志愿者就如何如何。
我再重申一次：
第一，施某人在灾区起多大作用，我们还不是从老萨帖子看来的，老萨又是听谁讲的？主要来源还不是就是施先生。先是说四川地震防疫总指挥，被人质疑以后，貌似又成了四川地震防疫抗糖尿病小组指挥。我看这里头差别大了去了，大概从所谓地指挥几百号国际志愿者变成指挥自己和几个拉来的志愿者吧？一个连自己来历都说不清的人，一个说的话疑点重重的人，一个你们素不相识的人，值得你给予这么大信任吗？
第二，志愿者怎么样？难道就不能监督了？好心还可以办坏事呢。我的监督是建立在我对所学专业的了解，建立在学术依据上的，不是信口雌黄，更不是恶意中伤。
两个月前在河里看见有关它们的介绍，一个中东人是头，发起是由有美国政府背景的机构开始的，后来好
像自己也弄点钱，另外得到美国和其它一些西方政府与公司的资助。
可能我搞错了。我是总看见在论坛首页的网页上新兵营那一栏旁边就是他的那篇关于施某的报导，不是删了的那个，是另一篇。所以就以为是置顶了。
昨晚的回帖提到九二一地震後糖尿病患者確實在地震後呈現增加的趨勢。
研究方法是以全民健保記錄追蹤九二一地震前六個月與九二一地震後一年慢性疾病(高血压，心脏病，关节炎，糖尿病)就診的記錄。結果發現糖尿病患者確實在地震後呈現增加的趨勢。 (全文如下。 )
woodbear認為我舉的九二一的研究例證是孤證， 但是糖尿病被人注意以來，世界上發生過多少次大規模的地震呢?
今日九二一的追蹤，確實証明有這樣的相關性，那麼為什麼不能給災民做這方面的檢查。
我的婆婆糖尿病，我的乾爹糖尿病，乾爹的母親洗腎洗到數度休克，腳指頭截斷。
若能幫助人們及早發現與治療以免於日後痛苦，為何不做呢? 此時不做，要待何時再做?
災區那麼多的受困者，現有的糖尿病患者分佈廣散，確實急需血糖儀與測紙。
美國這裡較便宜。 我婆婆回大陸半年，我們都定時托人帶針頭試紙回去。 (三餐前都要測，用量很大。)
施先生若真要"推销"自己的保健品，他背進山的就應該是自己的產品。
救災的人在最困苦的地方揮汗貢獻，能否多給事實掌聲?
現在的噓聲，大半來自臆測啊。
我每讀一個跟帖，就不由得心驚一次。
剛剛讀到薩在小徑的家園博客的留言，忍不住重重嘆息。
有朋友認為至少施先生應避嫌，這倒讓我想起老和尚背漂亮姑娘過河的故事了。。。
希望薩蘇學老和尚的智慧。淡然放下。知道自己做得對就好。
我認為薩的文章與背後正直熱血的性格，是他個人也是西西河一個珍貴的資產。
ABSTRACTS
Epidemiology. 14(5) Supplement:S52, September 2003.
Chang, T Y (1); Ou Yang, Y C; Hsiao, Y Y; Chan, C C
Abstract:
Introduction: On September 21, 1999, a powerful earthquake of magnitude 7.3 on the Richter scale struck central Taiwan and caused a total of 2,347 deaths. From the scale and the degree of damage, it is believed to be the worst earthquake in 20th century Taiwan. Past studies related to earthquakes discussed the immediate effects on the mortality and causes of deaths, but rare studies emphasized the prolong effects on the mobility. One cohort study presented the increasing numbers of incident cases of hypertension, heart disease, arthritis, and diabetes within the first 6 months, however, without the pre-earthquake clinical diagnosis or medical records, the relationship between the new cases of chronic diseases occurrence and the earthquake inducement was unknown. With the completely National Health Insurance (NHI) system in Taiwan, the purpose of this study was to describe the prevalent pattern of chronic diseases and to clarify the different mobility between the pre-earthquake and the post-earthquake in the 921 Taiwan Earthquake.
Methods: We carried out two sets of questionnaire survey to collect individual information related to damage of this earthquake and personal life style between 2002 and 2003. 3,637 persons comprised public employees and their family members were voluntary to supply personal identity numbers to link the NHI system for individual outpatient enrollment analysis. The data from March 21, 1999, through March 20, 2001 were obtained from the Bureau of NHI. According to the occurrence of the 921 Taiwan Earthquake, the outpatient data of this population was divided to pre-earthquake and post-earthquake time-periods with every 6 months. The trends of outpatient frequency and outpatient number of all diseases and specific chronic diseases were determined and the incident cases were observed during the two years.
Results: We observed that the total outpatient frequencies of all diseases in this population increased from 20,411 times in the half-year pre-earthquake to 23,103 times in the one-year post-earthquake and slightly decrease to 21,401 times in the 1.5-year post-earthquake. Male had higher outpatient frequencies than female and both gender had the same trend as the total of all diseases. In the outpatient numbers of all diseases, however, total outpatient numbers continued to increase from 2,677 persons in the pre-earthquake to 2,773 persons in the post-earthquake. The most age group to use healthcare service was 40-49 years old. Our findings presented rising trends in the prevalent rates of diabetes mellitus (ICD-9: 250) and hypertensive disease (ICD-9: 401-405) after this earthquake, but the prevalent rate of ischaemic heart disease (ICD-9: 410-414) reduced at the first 6 months and then increased in the post-earthquake. We also observed the numbers of incident cases on bronchitis, emphysema and asthma (ICD-9: 490-493) were more than other chronic diseases after this earthquake.
Conclusions: We concluded the prevalent patterns of chronic diseases on public employees and their family members were affected by the 921 Taiwan Earthquake, and the long-term effects of this earthquake on respiratory system would be more study in the future.
(C) 2003 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.
這帖貼完，我也不再多說。
昨晚的回帖提到九二一地震後糖尿病患者確實在地震後呈現增加的趨勢。
研究方法是以全民健保記錄追蹤九二一地震前六個月與九二一地震後一年慢性疾病(高血压，心脏病，关节炎，糖尿病)就診的記錄。結果發現糖尿病患者的確在地震後呈現增加的趨勢。 (全文如下。 )
woodbear認為我舉的九二一的研究例證是孤證， 但是糖尿病被人注意以來，世界上發生過多少次大規模的地震呢?
今日九二一的追蹤，確實証明有這樣的相關性，那麼為什麼不能給災民做這方面的檢查。
我的婆婆糖尿病，我的乾爹糖尿病，乾爹的母親洗腎洗到數度休克，腳指頭截斷。
若能幫助人們及早發現與治療，以免於日後痛苦，為何不做呢? 此時不做，要待何時再做?
災區那麼多的受困者，現有的糖尿病患者分佈廣散，確實急需血糖儀與測紙。
美國這裡較便宜。 我婆婆回大陸半年，我們都定時托人帶針頭試紙回去。 (三餐前都要測，用量很大。)
施先生若真要"推销"自己的保健品，他背進山的就應該是自己的產品。
救災的人在最困苦的地方揮汗貢獻，能否多給事實掌聲?
現在的噓聲，大半來自臆測啊。
我每讀一個跟帖，就不由得心驚一次。
剛剛讀到薩在小徑的家園博客的留言，忍不住重重嘆息。
有朋友認為至少施先生應避嫌，這倒讓我想起老和尚背漂亮姑娘過河的故事了。。。
希望薩蘇學老和尚的智慧。淡然放下。知道自己做得對就好。
我認為薩的文章與背後正直熱血的性格，是他個人也是西西河一個珍貴的資產。
ABSTRACTS
Epidemiology. 14(5) Supplement:S52, September 2003.
Chang, T Y (1); Ou Yang, Y C; Hsiao, Y Y; Chan, C C
Abstract:
Introduction: On September 21, 1999, a powerful earthquake of magnitude 7.3 on the Richter scale struck central Taiwan and caused a total of 2,347 deaths. From the scale and the degree of damage, it is believed to be the worst earthquake in 20th century Taiwan. Past studies related to earthquakes discussed the immediate effects on the mortality and causes of deaths, but rare studies emphasized the prolong effects on the mobility. One cohort study presented the increasing numbers of incident cases of hypertension, heart disease, arthritis, and diabetes within the first 6 months, however, without the pre-earthquake clinical diagnosis or medical records, the relationship between the new cases of chronic diseases occurrence and the earthquake inducement was unknown. With the completely National Health Insurance (NHI) system in Taiwan, the purpose of this study was to describe the prevalent pattern of chronic diseases and to clarify the different mobility between the pre-earthquake and the post-earthquake in the 921 Taiwan Earthquake.
Methods: We carried out two sets of questionnaire survey to collect individual information related to damage of this earthquake and personal life style between 2002 and 2003. 3,637 persons comprised public employees and their family members were voluntary to supply personal identity numbers to link the NHI system for individual outpatient enrollment analysis. The data from March 21, 1999, through March 20, 2001 were obtained from the Bureau of NHI. According to the occurrence of the 921 Taiwan Earthquake, the outpatient data of this population was divided to pre-earthquake and post-earthquake time-periods with every 6 months. The trends of outpatient frequency and outpatient number of all diseases and specific chronic diseases were determined and the incident cases were observed during the two years.
Results: We observed that the total outpatient frequencies of all diseases in this population increased from 20,411 times in the half-year pre-earthquake to 23,103 times in the one-year post-earthquake and slightly decrease to 21,401 times in the 1.5-year post-earthquake. Male had higher outpatient frequencies than female and both gender had the same trend as the total of all diseases. In the outpatient numbers of all diseases, however, total outpatient numbers continued to increase from 2,677 persons in the pre-earthquake to 2,773 persons in the post-earthquake. The most age group to use healthcare service was 40-49 years old. Our findings presented rising trends in the prevalent rates of diabetes mellitus (ICD-9: 250) and hypertensive disease (ICD-9: 401-405) after this earthquake, but the prevalent rate of ischaemic heart disease (ICD-9: 410-414) reduced at the first 6 months and then increased in the post-earthquake. We also observed the numbers of incident cases on bronchitis, emphysema and asthma (ICD-9: 490-493) were more than other chronic diseases after this earthquake.
Conclusions: We concluded the prevalent patterns of chronic diseases on public employees and their family members were affected by the 921 Taiwan Earthquake, and the long-term effects of this earthquake on respiratory system would be more study in the future.
(C) 2003 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.
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说施先生属于NGO，您也稍微给个出处，即使没人给您要证据。当然，我是相信您能够了解志愿人员不等于NGO，否则我们又要离题万里了。
对您的重申，不得不以最大的善意请您稍微表示一下理解。
“大概从所谓地指挥几百号国际志愿者变成指挥自己和几个拉来的志愿者吧”
事实应该正像您说的这样，问题是您为什么把这叫做疑点呢？您应该知道，志愿人员没有一个统一的组织，也不允许他们有，他们的任务是辅助官方的救援工作，所以免不了各种志愿人员随机组合，推举个领头的。政府管理的好呢，会给他一个小牌牌，管理得差点呢，至少也会登记在册。因为任务变化很快，这种领头的头衔，最多也就能持续几天，所以也没有任何把这当真，整天挂在口头上。
不知道您到底能不能理解，志愿人员从事志愿工作是个什么地位。您知道不知道许多人的报着做志愿工作的崇高目的，冲到灾区，结果发现自己做不了什么有头有脸的工作，结果只能悻悻的返回？
请您费点心，给点提示，对这句话，“他们没有行医资格，没有财权物权用人权，他们只能做卫生部给他们的任务”，您在多大程度上反对？
您要做学术研究没问题，可是您的学术研究真应该在这个时候做吗？如萨苏所说，他还没有在西西河搞募捐呢？您的学术质疑到底是想封住他的筹款渠道？还是要诋毁他的人格？如果您要封住他的筹款渠道，您应该把您的质疑发给各个NGO，否则的话，等您证明完他是个骗子，他也早拿到钱了。
转到您这里，请您说明一下，对您到目前的质疑，是否心里有些满足感？
您应该知道，萨苏采访了施先生，然后按自己的理解，对灾区关于学校建筑的冲突事件，作了纪实性的描述。如果您不喜欢的话，也可以说法了一顿牢骚。
现在，主要在您的质疑之下，萨苏彻底删掉了他的帖子，西西河也终于没有了超出CCTV报道范围的言论了。
虽然说世界清静了，这真是您想要的？
比如说，下次又有一个史先生，也做了差不多的事情，也很值得置疑。您扪心自问，下次还会有一个萨苏在这儿辛辛苦苦给您报告吗？
作为中国人，您对您自己受到的恩惠，真的无动于衷吗？
最后，再次请求您，不要删这个主题帖。
因我不是生物或者制药专业，本来不该插嘴，但是既然woodbear一直提到的依据是google，我就用google scholar 搜了一下 earthquake diabetes，搜出4520个结果，假设其中1/10是不重复的相关论文，也就是一页一篇，我想应该是合理的。。。那也大约450篇，全部都是施所撰的话，可谓著作等身了，如果不是，一定要说这个研究论题毫无价值，woodbear是不是有些托大了？孰是孰非，我没有能力判断，所以，我一直说，学术评价，不要牵扯到救灾中，只要施未在救灾中谋私利，即可。。。监督是必要的，然猜忌是不必要，中间分寸，无非实据二字
APPLICATION我们都是公司的律师写的，对我们来说，写完DISCLOSURE就算完事了。在这里也混为一谈了。
问题是看各人的想法要走多远，总归有人要走向极端的。
剩下唯一的问题是，是不是大多数人，或者说主流，都走向了极端。
你应该知道，志愿人员是官方力量的补充部分。那作为支援人员，首先想到的就是，会不会有官方没有注意到的地方，志愿人员反倒可以发挥自己的力量，把事情做得好一点？
尤其是在你看到他的募捐要求以后，不应该有太大疑虑。
首先他只是在要求试纸和血糖仪，这证明现在没有任何人认可现在需要防、治灾区糖尿病。有了这个，有什么不放心？
其次，关于他的理论或观点，在有了部分试纸和血糖仪以后，他需要给出他的证明，灾区确实有糖尿病问题。在这个世界上，做任何事都需要符合规矩的，没人是傻子。
最后，没有任何的迹象显示，灾区医疗部门对医疗管理问题有任何的放任现象。
对大家提醒一下施先生的观点可能有问题，这个很好。但在往前走一步，在我看来，是很可怕的。把不同于政府的声音都打掉，会在最大程度上害了政府。
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LZ木头熊的
用diabetes和earthquake搜索，仅有40篇文章，
没有一篇提到地震会引起糖尿病。小的斗胆认为, www.Pubmed.org 好像并不是（也不等同于）www.Google.com之scholor，哪怕是拼写。