主题：【原创】中国的海洋权益争端漫谈之一：领海到哪里？ -- 抱朴仙人
里边提到在中、俄、朝的边境用钱跟俄罗斯买（租？）一块日本海的出海口，建了海军基地后就象一把利剑时刻指着日本一样。跟仙人兄文中观点大同小异啊！
一口气看完，增长了不少这方面的知识！鲜花多多献上！
而不是把希望寄托在什么未来实力能够强于对手上
因为你不抵抗造成敌人得寸进尺 你的实力只会越来越削弱
南海真是个好地方，如果有可能，建议各位一定想办法去一次，我觉得比去西藏值得。何况西藏永远不会是别人的，南海嘛，还有不少麻烦，也许将来会有很大一部分是外国了。
所谓南海问题，包括西沙和南沙问题，主要是指南沙问题，到底是怎么来的呢？是谁首先宣布南海是中国领海？又是根据什么呢？
清朝的皇帝，连领土也保不住，知不知道有领海这回事也都难说，自然不会主张海权。民国建立后，太平日子没有几天，不是内战就是外患，然后是世界大战，幸亏站在了胜利者一边，这才有南沙问题，要是站在输家一边，今天可能还没资格谈这个问题呢。说来也奇怪，中国人每逢大事，点子奇准，两次大战，都站在赢家一边。第一次是名胜实败，第二次则是中了大奖，所获奇丰，弄了个有否决权的常任理事国当当。到现在快六十年了，还是玩得兴高采烈。多少比我们有钱的人眼睛红得出血，也想参加进来，可我们玩我们的，就是不给你玩。想起来真的要感谢当年的总统蒋公。
话说1946年，林遵率舰队收复诸岛，说是收复，我看还是有接收失败者财产的成分在，有些岛屿其实不知道是谁的，日本人占了，又输给了我们，我们自然就笑纳。跟随舰队出海的，有一位地质矿产部（？）的司长级官员，大笔一挥，用九条虚线划了一个大口袋，这个口袋大到什么程度？我们的地图上都只好另开一个新窗口，专门显示它。回来以后，印到国民政府的地图上，公诸于世，边界线就这样出笼了。
本来我们画了图，说我们家的院子到哪里哪里，邻居们有话快说，有屁快放，不说，就当你们没有意见了，但是这伙邻居几乎十年都不吭声。从五十年代中期到七十年代，这才陆续跑出来主张主权。我们自然是得理不饶人：“你们有意见为什么不早提？现在我们都管了这么多年了，哼哼！”
那帮家伙也挺委屈。原来1946年菲律宾还没有独立，美国还罩着他呢，应该美国替他出头的。美国被土著人吵得头晕，正准备撂挑子让他们独立，哪里还有心情管这等鸟事，所以没有态度。马来西亚和印度尼西亚的情况也差不多，革命党刚从树林子里钻出来，或者还没钻出来呢，东西南北还摸不清楚，谁看见过中国印的这张图？又有谁知道该抗议呢？越南当时正打得如火如荼，保大皇帝自保不暇，法国老大到处救火，也顾不上管这档子事啊。
不管怎么说，主权这玩意有时候就像西式结婚，要公告一家伙。牧师大人庄严宣布：“有异议现在提，否则永远闭嘴”。“什么？没有人有意见啊，那就这么定了！祝福你们，阿门”。
但是这九段线划得实在是太那个了一点，基本上都是沿着人家的海岸线划的，人家家里内讧结束，当然要出来理论一番，南沙争端，于是越演越烈。
这九段虚线到底是什么线？它既不是领海基线，也不是领海线，它的法律意义到底是什么？我们自己家里也心虚得厉害，所以1995年公布领海基线的时候，根本就不提。海洋法学界内部，就称之为九条断续线。爱国的诸位同胞，可有人去数过从越南沿海到巴士海峡，围这个大口袋到底用了几条线？
不管怎么说，这个时候可不能发书呆子气，什么依法办事之类。前朝给我们留了一个理由，我们就要用足。找新的理由，付诸实际行动，去争、去抢，弄多少算多少。
具体的行动，大家看到了岛礁上驻守的战士，捕鱼的真假渔民，护航的渔政船和军舰。还有大部分人不知道的。十年以前，地矿部，国家海洋局，海洋石油总公司联合搞了一个南沙海域的物探调查，弄了一架飞机空中来搞。外交部紧张得要死，所以最后的实施方案不是按照一般的物探方法从一侧开始逐条勘查，而是先在最中间，肯定没有争议的地区飞了一个来回，看看没有人抗议，再往左右扩一点，再扩一点，结果全部勘测了一遍，邻居都不吭声，于是得胜还朝。实际上呢？这周围都是穷邻居，可能根本就没有空中监控力量，不知道你在干啥呢。如果是在东海啊，那就早把答复邻居的抗议照会都拟好了再出海的啊，他们哪里会看不见。
结合后面的几个说明，我的观点是：
钓鱼岛问题的实质是“保”。主权是明确的，就是属于我们。我们的一切工作，都是捍卫主权，在法律上根本就不会承认日本的什么权利，永远都不会。即使他现在占着，那也还是我们家的东西，我确实有可能永远也拿不回来，但子子孙孙都要给我记牢，那是我们家的，有朝一日时机成熟，一定要拿回来。
南沙问题的实质是“争”。法律上确实有问题，但先下手为强，争得多少是多少，为此杀人放火则没必要。
附带说一句，本系列全属谬论，放之四海而皆不准。而且在十年前我就是这个观点，当时就不合时宜。我姑妄言之，各位姑妄听之吧。
本帖一共被 1 帖 引用 (帖内工具实现)
真正好文,本朝当初所做很多事情,皆是一时之情,(现在也还有)完了就让现在这些人去头痛啊
多谢兄台好文
小时候，看中国地图的时候就觉得奇怪，怎么我们的海域就贴着人家的海岸线画的。
才知道原来是这么回事。献花！
于是就选择性的忘掉很多事情
您的说法如果属实，应该这样理解，国土资源部在完成海洋资源普查之后，详查规划里可能不包括钓鱼岛海域。因为详查是为开发作准备的，没有开发价值或者目前不具备开发条件的，也就不花详查的钱了。毕竟考察船跑一天要花十来万块，打一个钻孔没有百把万根本下不来，钱还是要用在能够马上见效益的地方。
再说了，据我所知，根据现在掌握的资料，钓鱼岛那个地方，其实什么资源也没有。:(
没有那个政府吃得消放弃那里的，不但两岸四地的中国人，全世界华裔也看着呢。
俺被好好科普了一下
Military Clashes in the South China Sea over the Past Two Decades*
Date Countries Military Action
1974 China, Vietnam Chinese seized the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, with 18 of its troops killed in clashes on one of the islands.
1988 China, Vietnam Chinese and Vietnamese navies clashed at Johnson Reef in the Spratly Islands. Several Vietnamese boats were sunk and over 70 sailors killed.
1992 China, Vietnam Vietnam accused China of landing troops on Da Luc Reef. China seized almost 20 Vietnamese cargo ships transporting goods from Hong Kong from June - September.
1994 China, Vietnam China and Vietnam had naval confrontations within Vietnam's internationally recognized territorial waters over Vietnam's Tu Chinh oil exploration blocks 133, 134, and 135. Chinese claim the area as part of their Wan' Bei-21 (WAB-21) block.
1995 China, Philippines China occupied Philippine-claimed Mischief Reef. Philippine military evicted the Chinese in March and destroyed Chinese markers.
1995 Taiwan, Vietnam Taiwanese artillery fired on a Vietnamese supply ship.
1996 China, Philippines In January, Chinese vessels engaged in a 90-minute gun battle with a Philippine navy gunboat near Capones Island.
1997 China, Philippines The Philippine navy ordered a Chinese speedboat and two fishing boats to leave Scarborough Shoal in April; the Philippine navy later removed Chinese markers and raised its flag. China sent three warships to survey Philippine-occupied Panata and Kota Islands
1998 Philippines, Vietnam In January, Vietnamese soldiers fired on a Philippine fishing boat near Tennent (Pigeon) Reef.
1999 China, Philippines In May, a Chinese fishing boat was sunk in a collision with Philippine warship. In July, another Chinese fishing boat was sunk in a collision with a Philippine warship.
1999 China, Philippines In May, Chinese warships were accused of harassing a Philippine navy vessel after it ran aground near the Spratly Islands.
1999 Philippines, Vietnam In October, Vietnamese troops fired upon a Philippine air force plane on reconnaissance in the Spratly Islands.
1999 Malaysia, Philippines In October, Philippine defense sources reported that 2 Malaysian fighter planes and 2 Philippine air force surveillance planes nearly engaged over a Malaysian-occupied reef in the Spratly Islands. The Malaysian Defense Ministry stated that it was not a stand-off.
Table 3
Disputes over Drilling and Exploration in the South China Sea
Date Countries Disputes
1992 China, Vietnam In May, China signed a contract with U.S. firm Crestone to explore for oil near the Spratly Islands in an area that Vietnam says is located on its continental shelf, over 600 miles south of China's Hainan Island. In September, Vietnam accused China of drilling for oil in Vietnamese waters in the Gulf of Tonkin.
1993 China, Vietnam In May, Vietnam accused a Chinese seismic survey ship of interfering with British Petroleum's exploration work in Vietnamese waters. The Chinese ship left Vietnamese block 06 following the appearance of 2 Vietnamese naval ships.
1993 China, Vietnam In December, Vietnam demanded that Crestone cancel offshore oil development in nearby waters.
1994 China, Vietnam Crestone joined with a Chinese partner to explore China's Wan' Bei-21 (WAB-21 block. Vietnam protested that the exploration was in Vietnamese waters in their blocks 133, 134, and 135. China offered to split Wan' Bei production with Vietnam, as long as China retained all sovereignty.
1994 China, Vietnam In August, Vietnamese gunboats forced a Chinese exploration ship to leave an oilfield in a region claimed by the Vietnamese.
1996 China, Vietnam In April, Vietnam leased exploration blocks to U.S. firm Conoco, and ruled out cooperation with U.S. oil firms that signed Chinese exploration contracts in disputed waters. Vietnamese blocks 133 and 134 cover half the zone leased to Crestone by China. China protested, and reaffirmed a national law claiming the South China Sea as its own in May.
1997 China, Vietnam In March, Vietnamese issued a protest after the Chinese Kantan-3 oil rig drills near Spratly Islands in March. The drilling occurred offshore Da Nang, in an area Vietnam calls Block 113. The block is located 64 nautical miles off Chan May cape in Vietnam, and 71 nautical miles off China's Hainan Island. The diplomatic protests were followed by the departure of the Chinese rig.
1997 China, Vietnam In December, Vietnamese protested after the Exploration Ship No. 8 and two supply ships entered the Wan' Bei exploration block. All 3 vessels were escorted away by the Vietnamese navy.
1998 China, Vietnam In September, Vietnamese protested after a Chinese report stated that Crestone and China were continuing their survey of the Spratly Islands and the Tu Chinh region (Wan' Bei in Chinese). (The dispute over this area was resolved by an agreement between China and Vietnam concluded in December 2000.)
2003 Malaysia, Brunei In May 2003, a patrol boat from Brunei acted to prevent TotalFinaElf from undertaking exploration activities in an area offshore from Northern Borneo disputed by the two countries.
看着地图我也有点儿心虚