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家园 就是运快递啊

网购的快递就是个巨大无比的市场,量大不重对时间还有要求。现在最快的还是160,在普铁上跑。已经开始高速货运动车组设计,速度200-250。

当然了,无论是高速普铁货运还是货运高铁,名义上是货车,但其实就是客车车底把椅子拆了,呵呵。。。

家园 我亲身经历外企私企的低效率和腐败

任何制度,没有合理的监督都会出问题。

家园 您说的上限是指时间上限吧,美国国债的金额是有上限的,

如果要提高国债上限必须要国会投票表决才行,这种制度安排实际上是美国做给全世界人看的,要不然美元就真的无法无天了,世界人民用美元也不放心。

这是去年的新闻,说的就是美国国债上限的影响:

债务上限能否上调比政府关门影响更大,若上限无法上调,将造成政府违约

美国财政部长上周给出了财政部何时用尽“非常规措施”(一系列的会计处理方法,使政府能继续向公众发行国债,尽管政府已经达到国会设定的债务限制)的最新预期。财政部将最晚在10月17日耗尽这些措施,到时候美国政府将不得不严格地控制现金流,因此督促国会在此之前尽快提高债务上限。10月中之后,财政部预期只会持有约300亿美元的现金,这只能覆盖1-2周的支出赤字。而到11月1日,财政部要支付社保、医保等项目的款项合计670亿美元。到11月15日这一天要迎来第一笔大规模票据利息付款,合计310亿美元。所以普遍预测,即使财政部能撑过十月份,但是到十一月份若不上调债务上限,财政部可能无法支付债券的利息,会形成技术性违约。如果在美国财政部耗尽资金前国会还没有提高债务上限,那么美国将迅速削减预算赤字以保证国债规模处于债务上限下方,并造成更加严重的财政收缩,将导致美国经济活动迅速下降。若美国无力支付国债利息,造成违约,美元价值下降,利率上升,将对全球经济造成冲击。

至于钞票如何进入市场,我可以举一些具体的例子,比如政府可以通过发工资,政府采购等形式注入钞票,企业可以通过贷款获得钞票,个人通过单位的工资账户获得钞票等等。

而且银行电子化经营的今天,大的现金流早就实现了数据化,都是在电脑上走账,政府向市场发行钞票就更加简单了。

家园 有点明白了

一旦发生通缩,国家就使劲发放贷款,让市面上的钱多起来

毕竟政府采购发工资能够发行的钞票少之又少,是吗?

谢谢

家园 不同意,国企未必是低效,中国电信低效吗?建设、维护了一个

全球最大的通信网络。国企比不上民企在于:1、不能偷税漏税;2、不能制假售假;3、不能尽情剥削员工。如果国企能像民企那样做,民企早灰飞烟灭了。无他,国企有民企没有的硬件、软件资源。

通宝推:山海马甲,
家园 差不多是这个意思。
家园 作者获得通宝一枚

消费两通宝推荐 关闭

感谢:作者获得通宝一枚。

作者,声望:3;铢钱:20。你,乐善:4;铢钱:-32。本帖花:3

家园 "中国模式的终点": 至少 2030 or never

first of all, just read many of your excellent writings, some of them very helpful in terms of understanding 中国模式, a brain challenging task, if not a brain damaging ordeal.

sorry to type in English, and I hope this post is not going to offend people, buy my posts always offend many people, many of them being Tg's propaganda troops.

by the way and as a disclaimer, this kind of "social science" is very hard, and I really don't know.

but "political social science" is a very profitable business, and in china in particular, so it is worth trying to understand it.

Uncle Sam's version of "political social science" is kind of in Wall Street, all proprietary, just like TG's "model": they are telling nobody how do they make so much money(:) with their models, everyday.

1.

中国模式

and politically,

as you said:

"TG怕的不是老外,甚至不是懂英语的小白,而是底层的劳工。国内的网站严防死守,你挪到外边,一样有GFW。让亿万劳工团不起来,就是沙子, 没有任何威胁了。"

economically

城镇化, according to ex-人大副委员长 成思危, its potential in terms of your 官办经济 model, will work until 2030 at least;

"hullo" described TG's model very well: basically you short (薄血利用) Chinese farmers ( it has been like that since day 1 of TG's "business model"), and with profit you make there from shorting Chinese farmers, you long (收買利用) middle class and elite of Chinese society, then you basically manage this GDP 永动机 business as a market maker in mainland china, with 毛林共识 as its core, and I wrote about it before.

毛林共识 has been working, and it will be working for at least another decades if not longer. 相对论方程一阶, for Chinese nation in particular.

US TPP is not going to be a big deal in terms of threatening TGchina's current model, 民粹主義 outside of TGchina is basically putting world economy into a zero growth phase;

and in that sense, TGchina's growth of at least another decade provides global "zero growth" economy with some badly needed 溫度, a huge contribution;

but, the tricky part: TGchina's model of "臭豆腐闻起来是臭的,可吃起来总是香的" basically give all the credit of Chinese nation's hard work to Uncle Sam, in many ways.

Uncle Sam

for the foreseeable future, US still provides unmatched leadership at the high end, for global system, in terms of almost everything else, as I said zillions time before;

for one thing: TG's model=只能做不能说, kind of why TG's ideology is full of brain damaging BS.

kind of why Chinese political elite is doing what they have been doing, because they know what is going on, and they are making tons of money out of it, atop their other "trading profits".

Still, overall, I think, "majority" of Chinese people supports TG for whatever reasons, then TG's model will work, even in terms of "ideology".

as to US, Uncle Sam will eventually work out some deal with TG, so everybody is happy.

2.

Now, Mao "model".

I know you and many of Chinese like Mao, thinking or trying to develop or grow "Maoism" into a new system for humanity beyond capitalism.

this is a very complicated topic, and it is way beyond even "3020", so I don't really care, and not many people care, not even TG top leadership;

but fundamentally and in brief: Maoism is a good 为人民服务 type of "宗教" to some degree, and it has been appealing to 人民 like many "宗教", particularly Chinese people who has been day dreaming about 好皇帝 for 5k year;

and by the way, this is one area of Chinese nation's fundamental weakness: lack of "mind day dreaming" for science, for ALGO or systems, but full of "heart enthusiasm" for 好人 BS. come on: we all need a good ALGO or good system as a model to understand the world and to grow in it, and 人 fundamentally is an social animal of dual nature, always: angel and evil, as such an animal, 人 has to be put into a system to develop its angel side and to contain its evil side.

true, this is kind of white's propaganda. Chinese's 天人合一 of social science is all different.

now, more about Mao:

but in terms of physics' "energy equation", the human economic and political system's final purpose is not really 为人民服务, the system's final objective is to find a way of relentless innovation and growth, economically and scientifically etc, for humanity to advance, for human civilization to grow out of earth system before it dies...

if it is not for that system purpose of innovaton and growth forever:

with the current 人类生产力, we can already to have a global

共产主义社会. we can afford that yesterday.

In that sense, Marxist Maoism is fundamentally "wrong": we can not have a 共产主义社会, and we will never have a one: it has nothing to do with 生產力, we just can not do it.

may be one day, when humanity finds a new home somewhere in the universe, and when looking back at "dark and disappearing" earth, we can have a few days of 共产主义社会 party, for a few "days", then humanity has to look for its next home in GR' or 广义相对论 universe as we know.

by the way, the following is a great piece:

changshou:几何直观地介绍广义相对论的时空以及大爆炸模型(0)分页第 ...

www.ccthere.com/topic/3659016/23

so, fundamentally Maoism or its various derivatives all have a logic issue, if it is not treated as an "宗教" .

to be brief and to be extremely speaking: Marxism and Mao kind of all put "为人民服务" objective/function above everything else, almost, when designing a system.

that system as we know, will run out of energy pretty soon.

again, the system's "gene"(basically physics) is not going to let that global 为人民服务共产主义社会 to happen, period.

but, politicians will use that to BS and manage most of their 人民, everywhere. they have to.

now, to some degree, the system has to 为人民服务 in a way, so there will be more leaders/innovators coming out of 人民, but most of 人民 are fundamentally 乾電池, and 乾電池 only, extremely speaking.

and in a dilemma facing today's human system: we are over supplied with 人民乾電池, almost everywhere.

what to do? omg(:).

3.

because of that most of "人民 are fundamentally 乾電池" issue, human system as a dissipative system has to perform its cleaning out function of 優勝劣敗 適者生存, because social-bio systems are fundamentally dissipative system nature, it has to constantly look for new energy for its survival, and growth, while dumping out its "system waste".

not only social bio systems are of dissipative system nature, many mesoscopic or quantum physics systems are of that dissipative system or intelligent/dynamic system nature as well such as "相变" system at macroscopic level or 分子馬達 of more of mesoscopic level , many of them are still to be understood and studied by physicists, vs Newton's classical and mostly macroscopic and 'static" physics system.

by the way, as we all know, Newton's classical and mostly macroscopic and 'static" physics system does not really care about 摩擦力/熱消耗 etc, because of many newton's systems are mechanical system of Marxist era of 工業革命, therefore "时间平移不变", "static". but now we have had a quantum physics for almost a century already

kind of a challenging issue for TGchina's economic model: how to handle the emerging, new and challenging mode of quantum or mesoscopic physics based, more environmentally helpful and information sensitive 生产方式 of modern capitalism's next phase?

vs TG's traditional business model of "淮海战役的胜利是人民群众用小车推出来的", almost since day 1.

kind of why TGchina can never lead the world with this kind of "臭豆腐" social economic model, however effective it may be, in terms of TGchina's GDP 7% forever.

of course, Europe or other regions are almost running out of any 豆腐, and TGchina's 臭豆腐 is much better than "zero 豆腐", period.

4.

Europe is actually much more of Maoist socialist type than everybody else, and it is deeply trapped in 民粹主義 , going no where.

an example:

dogs "eat" children in many European countries, but because of 人民民主專政 in Europe, nothing can be done, period, dogs still eat human children once a while.

5.

for various reasons, US system is still working, kind of 正面资本主义, and TGchina is some kind of 只能做不能说"资本主义", and everybody else are trapped somewhere between 人民民主專政 and white "民粹主義"

6.

now, in US, because of "over information", and some kind of confusion among US elite themselves, US is kind of "资本主义", 做得清说不清, and many BS in 说 part.

TGchina: I think (of course guessing) TG's top elite (therefore top elite of Chinese society) somehow know this "new ALGO of capitalism of peacefully fxxking 人民 in the name of 優勝劣敗 適者生存", and the way TG does it: it is doable only in mainland china.

So, TG has been and will be 内战内行 外战外行, period, in terms of fxxking 人民乾電池.

but of course you can't say that, just like white politicians telling all kinds of lies to get the votes, TG is brainwashing the whole Chinese nation with all kind of propaganda BS.

but that is the nature of system: you have to do it, do many "head fakes" to clean out those brainless folks, or do bad things for good purpose.

7.

if that is the "line of logic", TG under X will be keep going 打左灯向右转, and US will 打美国之音灯, going the way Uncle Sam is going now: because of US's too many systematic resources (such as energy independence, global focal points of human brains, etc), uncle sam has a lot of room to fxxk non-US or other nations' 人民乾電池.

of course, Uncle Sam is always trying to squeeze TGchina whenever and wherever possible.

but hey, because of china's gdp growth rate of 7% at least for another decade if not more, Uncle Sam has to cut a deal with TG, period.

there is no growth else where in this world: US 3% growth, tgchina about 6%, everywhere else: 0 if not negative.

no money(energy), no honey, no nothing. physics.

家园 这不是什么黑幕

以下是大概意思,不保证细节完全准确。

一方面要上缴国有资本收益,另一方面收到的钱被用来引导国有企业发展国家优先支持的领域,收支两条线,国企可以申报自己符合优先政策的项目得到不超过30%的补贴,可以理解为是把自己交的钱要回来一些。对中石化不了解,胡乱举个例子,假设中石化按规定的比例上缴了国有资本收益10个亿,同时其正在对炼油厂进行大规模环保改造,又花了10个亿,正好当时的优先支持领域有环保,中石化可以提交专项预算报告,经审查符合,可以获得最高3亿的国有资本预算,也就是大家嘴里的补贴。

家园 确切的说是资方投票

在资本主义国家弄出个民众投票选总经理,而民众又没有资产所有权,不是一件很奇怪的事情吗?

至于有人说现在中国号称是全民所有制,是共有产权,所以中国应该搞人人投票。但是中国现在明显不是全民所有制,而是国家资本主义。所以中国的政治制度应该和中国的经济制度相匹配,中国并没有实现人人投票的经济基础。

至于从国家资本主义到全民所有制,这个过程更不是一个政改就可以简单实现的。这需要全面提高国家对社会的管理的能力和手段。强行要求,中国实行与经济基础不相符的政治制度,只会降低中国的社会效益,甚至打断中国经济发展的进程。

家园 那他又是如何知道271的?

扭腰说是调查一个公司花200,从上千家中找出股东的。从这个说法看,还不是顺手调查了一批大股东?最后才按需要出报告吧。一个主持人能从什么渠道掌握这么过硬的材料,不又得挖下去了?

家园 models: TG's 势能, US 动能

to be brief:

hamiltonian mechanics, at least something we know.

1.

if you think a social system at humanity and global level is fundamentally a dissipative system, then how to discover and leverage on individual "atom"'s "动能" is central to your model, therefore the white's algo of system of 公職 core: individual and their rights are above anything else, 民主自由, 市场竞争,优胜劣百, etc;

any other models?

of course, 民主自由, 市场竞争,优胜劣百=kind of model only Uncle Sam knows how to and can afford to play, still Uncle Sam's white trash population is growing rapidly, and US is increasing relying on importing international brain power.

TG's 势能 model: "中国社会各阶级的分析", basically long and short trade, politically and militarily, and economically, as we know;

kind of why TG needs to have GFW: 势能 model works very well with a closed system: 關門打狗(:), why not?

vs a dissipative open system, what is "势能" of a dissipative open system?

2.

physics does not know very much at all about a dissipative open system, 耗散结构理论=?

TG's system as said before, it is a local model, working within mainland china only, although it could work out forever(:)

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baike.baidu.com/view/62783.htm

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普里戈金以多年的努力,试图把最小熵产生原理延拓到远离平衡的非线性区去,但以 ... 耗散结构理论可概括为:一个远离平衡态的非线性的开放系统(不管是物理的

家园 约束系统: 傅立叶分解, 各个击破, 運動战, 穿擦战

the key to TG's 势能 model: 包围, then it is fairly straight forward 可微可积 classical physics system.

I.

1) "中国社会各阶级的分析",

2) GFW: then you have got a 约束系统, 傅立叶分解, 各个击破, 運動战, 穿擦战, piece of cake, short and long combined;

a 传家宝 model invented and developed by Mao for TG, since day 1;

now, you cannot do it both internationally and domestically, all TG runs into the risk of 被包围;

knowing that, US and Japan try fxxking TGchina with TPP stuff, getting TG engaged into some kind of international battle/conflicts of whatever;

TG: no way, I only fxxk you US & JPY guys with my mouse, words, no real war;

I will keep working on getting china GDP grow at 7%, then uncle sam's wall street wolves will come and ask to "marry me".

Premier L is doing the dirty part of that game, economic reforms, and X's is working on everything else;

they will make it, most likely.

II.

TG has been very smart, limited however by the lack of international gaming experiences of Chinese nation as a whole, understandably.

Internationally, TGchina sold Pakistan out to let it being fxxked into two pieces by Indians in early 1970, TG was busy joining UN at the time.

if you are an Asian country, can you ever trust TGchina?

around year 2k: Tg missed the historical macro trade of china 联邦 of singpore, TW, and a global alliance of 华侨特务 of almost 100M capable of stealing every brain works/know-how of whites;

an golden 外战机会 for Chinese nation to become some kind of market maker for Asian continent at least.

too bad, TG did not make it or had never even thought about it, for lack of brain or guts, or both, or whatever reasons.

that kind of macro trade is often once a life, once missed, forever missed.

possibly because of all that, Uncle Sam thinks that tgchina is a limited regional economic power.

still, Uncle Sam will grab every possible opportunities to fxxk tgchina into pieces.

Unlikely to happen, mostly a day dream for Uncle Sam, and uncle sam is still 骄傲自满, particularly its social culture, it has not really learned much yet from the rise of TGchina.

家园 可能有一个逻辑困境:不卖现在就危机,卖了还能拖延一下。

“中国模式的终点就是没有国有资源可以出卖了”应该说过去的中国模式好像的确如此。

按照这个逻辑的话,必须有东西卖才能持续下去。所以你对混改的抵触可能有点非理性。因为如果不混改的话,现在就没有东西卖了,现在就要爆发危机了,几十年和平时光现在就会到尽头。

如果混改一下,拖一下时间,在这个时间里转换发展模式,如果转型成功,那么和平时光还是可以继续下去的。如果转型失败就算发生危机,至少也拖了一段时间,多过几天和平时光也不算亏。

比较两条路,显然后一条路还有一线生机。

家园 这个写的好

中国干什么产业,世界上对应的什么产品就掉价,一旦中国挖掉社会主义的根,搞资本主义, 资本主义就要灭亡!!!

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