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家园 继续,藏青会文宣的反驳

想说一点就是,现在西藏分离势力是受西方反华势力系统训练的,在文宣方面绝对不容小视,在反驳藏独的文宣时不能一味指责他们搞奴隶制,达赖是奴隶主。相反,政教合一,鼓吹暴力和民族仇恨,民族自决原则低于国家主权和领土完整才是他们的死穴。

The 13th century: Beijing claims that Tibet became part of China during the Yuan Dynasty in the mid-13th century. The Yuan was actually a Mongol empire, with Chinggis Khan and his descendents conquering China and nations from Korea to Eastern Europe. For China to claim Tibet based on this would be like India claiming Burma since both were part of the British Empire. The Mongols never ruled Tibet as an administrative region of China, and Tibet was given special treatment because Tibet's Sakya lamas were the religious teachers of the Mongol emperors. By the fall of the Mongol Yuan Dynasty, Tibet had again become in charge of its own affairs.

这一段纯粹就是忽悠外国人的。蒙古族是中国56个少数民族之一,在元朝灭亡后,在明,清,民国等漫长的岁月里,内外蒙古均是中国的领土。外蒙古的独立是二战后由当时的国民政府所批准和承认的。但即使这样,内蒙古的蒙古族人口远超于外蒙古。以上事实表明元朝政府是少数民族建立的中国皇权政府。Sakya lamas were the religious teachers of the Mongol emperors即表明Sakya lamas是皇帝的臣子,因为在古代中国皇权是至高无上的。By the fall of the Mongol Yuan Dynasty, Tibet had again become in charge of its own affairs不能说明西藏独立的合理性,因为中央皇权崩溃后地方割据是正常现象,但正如前面所述,地方割据的事实不能说明该地方有独立的合法性。

1951: China claims sovereignty over Tibet from before 1951, but this is an important date. This is when after defeating Tibet's small army, China imposed the Seventeen Point Agreement on the Tibetan government, demanding that Tibet "return" to Chinese sovereignty (raising the uncomfortable question of why such a surrender treaty was needed unless Tibet was a country independent of China in the first place). This Agreement was legally invalid because of duress, but the Tibetan government had little choice but to try to coexist with China under its provisions. It became clear that Beijing had no intention to live up to its promises, and the Tibetan government fully repudiated the document during China's brutal suppression of the 1959 Tibetan uprising.

作为当时内战的胜利方,中华人民共和国政府是在履行中国唯一合法政府的义务,对中国领土西藏派驻军队。十七条协定经由中央政府和西藏地方政府签字生效,具有法定效力。十七条协定第一句“西藏民族是中国境内具有悠久历史的民族之一”,何有西藏回归中国之说?第二条:西藏地方政府积极协助中国人民解放军进入西藏,巩固国防,说明驻守西藏是中国人民解放军的权利和义务。1951年西藏暴乱,恰恰是西藏地方政府推行西藏独立,背弃了十七条协定。

Yes China has developed Tibet, but urban Tibetans only benefit marginally and rural Tibetans barely benefit at all. Tibetans without Chinese language skills and connections are left to fend for themselves as second-class citizens in their own country. China's own statistics show Tibet's per capita income falls below that of all Chinese provinces, and vast areas of rural Tibet lack basic healthcare and education. Beijing's overarching priority is tying Tibet to China by moving in Chinese colonists to the urban areas and creating a Tibetan economy dependent on resource-exploitation and state subsidies. It is spending huge amounts of money on infrastructure to solidify its control, such as a railroad to Lhasa on which Beijing will spend more than what it has put towards healthcare and education in the entire 50+ years it has occupied Tibet. Some scholars such as Hong Kong-based Barry Sautman argue that these policies are beneficial to Tibetans and aren't colonialism because China isn't following the same demographic strategy as previous colonial powers. Nevertheless, Tibet today is a vast resource-extraction colony and its urban areas are filled with Chinese settlers. According to the UNDP in 2000, real GDP per capita in Tibet is $169, as opposed to $680 for China as a whole and $4,000 in Shanghai.

Adult Literacy is 38% as opposed to 81% in China. Maternal mortality is 50 per 10,000 as opposed to 9 per 10,000 in China. All these show that China's much-vaunted "development" is skewed by political priorities (securing control, building infrastructure) and isn't benefiting Tibetans

这一段要慢慢找统计数据来驳斥。但基本思路是,1。中国是个幅员广大,人口众多的发展中国家,由于地理位置,人文水平,资源分布的不一致,在改革开放过程中出现全国各地区经济发展不平衡是正常现象,西藏的人均GDP远远小于上海的人均GDP只能说明上述现象,不能说明中国政府是西藏的殖民者,因为其他数个的内陆省份的经济与文化发展水平跟上海也相差甚远,还必须考虑到西藏没有自己的工业,与外界交通不便等因素。2.中国公民有权在中国任何省份定居和工作,西藏的外来人口的增多同时也是市场规律的作用,西藏的移民为西藏的现代化作出了贡献,也给西藏当地群众的生活带来改善。同样地,藏族同胞有权在中国任何省份定居,学习,工作。

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