主题：英文论坛上看到的一个西藏人的观点(转寄) -- dolong
家园 英文论坛上看到的一个西藏人的观点(转寄) 在一个英文论坛上看到的。我们在反对西方猥琐媒体的同时，也要多了解一下藏族同胞们真正怎么想的，这个人写的相当的客观，从藏族人的角度来说整个问题，我觉得应当有助于大家理解广大藏族同胞们真正的想法。
Just simply from this thread its easy for me to see why there is such controversy involving Tibet and why people can not come together to resolve this peacefully.
On one side you have the Chinese people who believe that the Dahli Lama is some kind of terrorist plot leader (engraved in their mind by Government propaganda) and that the protests are fueled by the Western media to divide China, and attempting to stop her from her way to becoming one of the leading world powers, which it already is.
On the other side, you have people from the west, most of whom are uneducated on the history of Tibet, and argues to "free Tibet" whom they believe that Tibet was taken by force in recent history by the "big evil" communist government oppressed all freedom taken away from them. And instead of creating peaceful dialog like those the Lama has advocated, these people protest violently, even call for the boycott of the very game that will promote peace and dialog in a country that very much need it to resolve the conflict.
Been a Tibetan, I lived in Lasa until 15 when my family moved to England and ultimately here to Houston and still make occasional trips to see my extended family all of whom still lives in rural villages spread across Tibet and China, it really pains me to see the conflict and divide this has caused. From what I have seen, read, and heard from both sides, its clear to me that neither side really knows the entire story and refuse to acknowledge the changes that are needed.
1st of all those who argue that nothing is wrong with Tibet and that the Lama is a separatist who looks to divide China needs to put down their crack pipes and look at the issue clearly. The great Lama is a spiritual leader that is important to all native Tibetan people, and the fact that he is now seen as a political leader is caused by the very doing of the Chinese government. Who, ironically with fears of a religion that calls for the peace and harmony of all, tries to micromanage all aspects of our religion and make changes that they feel is "modern" such as dividing and handout lands that belong to our places of worship and places of peaceful worship.
And they send "religious" officials from Beijing or some other East coast modern cities, who honestly have no idea of our religion and which in turn creates many misunderstandings and conflict from it.
The protests for these freedoms that started this, was suppose to be a peaceful affair, suppose to bring light to these situation with the closeness of the upcoming Olympics so the government can bring changes. Yet these peaceful protest turned into riots, and destruction of many people's homes and business. The violence was not a result of those of us who wished for more religious freedoms, but by those who are poor, who can not afford food and such things due to the price of inflation by the fast growing Chinese economy. So instead of what is suppose to be peaceful call for more religious freedom turned into the chaos that you saw on TV. All this came from great social divide of the rich and poor created by the Chinese government's economic program that simply have no respect and care for those who are not wealthy.
2ndly The media and so called "activists" in the west really needs to shut their mouth, instead of learning our history and find out what we need and call for. These mindless fools, who have never set foot on Tibetan soil
blindly follow others in protests to "Free Tibet".
Tibet IS a part of China, that is something that my people have come to live with and agree with a long time ago. We call for a special state within China where we are allowed to manage our own cultural and religious affairs,
and return the Lama to his true rule, to guide my people in our worship.We do not want separation from China, simply because Tibet will not survive without a massive aid, from food and power, to services provided by the
Chinese government. Those who have not been to Tibet only sees the post card of our majestic temples and breathtakingly beautiful mountain views, do not see the other parts of Tibet outside of Lasa. Which is vast rocky wasteland, where few things grow, where the thing that we can grow is small patches of crops that is only enough to feed a few not to make a living out of.
The Chinese government, despite their arrogance and refusal to cooperate and dialog, has brought a economical system to Tibet. They built schools, hospitals, transportation, and most importantly created a steady stream of
tourists from all over china to which we have made a living off. We now have power and running water, which my grandparents never had. In fact my father was one of the first group of Tibetans to be educated in the schools built by the chinese government and he now makes a very comfortable for one of the largest oil companies in the world because of it, not bad for a son of a old fashioned blacksmith.
We have no oil, little valuable minerals and raw materials to which we can trade, only small patches of semi futile land for subsistence farming, and small pastures that can support the little flocks of yaks and goats that
will survive in such barren lands. And the only thing that is keeping us afloat is our connection with the rest of China.
The Chinese economy, despite the great social gap it has created, has made our living conditions better then those of our ancestors. Something that I do not believe could have happened without the intervention of the Chinese. So despite the bad things that came along with such intervention, a lot of good things did arise from it.
So please next time you guys try to argue "for Tibetan freedom" or "nothing is wrong with Tibet", please think of us Tibetans please first. Because is because of such misunderstandings and refusal of cooperation and dialog that
we came to this point in our history.
Stuck in the middle between China's mindless quest for global dominance and the self righteous fools in western nations and mobs of "Tibetan separatists" who have never set foot on our land is those of us who was born and raised there, and have family there still having to live with such affairs.
Because in the end everyone have their own agenda, and nobody have a real about the real issue. And us Tibetans have to live with this tragic reminder everyday.
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本帖一共被 1 帖 引用 (帖内工具实现)家园 自古以来，并将继续存在的现实是：在强势民族面前，弱势民族 是没有自己话语权的，自己的命运也无法完全由自己掌控。
With respect to this guy's opinion, it is a harsh world, our only world !
家园 贫富差距全国都有，但绝不是拉萨暴乱的主因，关键在于有外部势力的策 贫富差距全国都有，但绝不是拉萨暴乱的主因，关键在于有外部势力的策动，内外勾结。
这次和上次暴乱都是由喇嘛挑起的，喇嘛吃喝都不成问题，有什么经济问题呢？喇嘛也不关心俗人的经济问题。
这个暴乱纯粹就是政治问题！这个一定要确定。
当然，经济要协调发展，这在全国都是应当的，这是另外一个问题了。
家园 我觉得作者主要是表达他自己对事件的理解 每个人的个人立场不同，我们不可能要求完全的“政治正确性”。比如作为有强烈宗教信仰的西藏同胞，对DL和作为宗教传播者的喇嘛会保持无条件的尊敬，当然就更不可能对这些人口出不逊。这个我们不一定赞同，但我个人觉得应该表示理解和一定的尊重。统一战线政策是我们的“大杀器”之一，像这样能够基本保持理性和客观，支持统一的藏族同胞，是我们可以争取也应该争取的对象。我们在反对ZD的同时，也应该注意不要“误伤”，把爱国的藏族同胞推到自己的对立面上去。
个人觉得这篇文章很好。再碰到自以为是满口自由人权的外国人，可以给他们看看，这种中立的声音应该有更好的效果。所以如果有文章的原始出处更好，可信度更高。
同时我们国家的民族政策制定者，应该也可以看看，其观点虽然不尽正确，但是至少有助于我们了解很多藏族同胞的真实想法，要真想解决问题（如果我们连目前西藏地区存在问题也不愿意承认，那就真的没办法了），不管最终解决方式如何，这应该是最基本的态度和起点。比如文章中提到对土改政策的看法，就很有代表性。典型的出发点虽好，但是却不完全适合西藏地区具体情况的例子。
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家园 如果说骚乱是穷人对贫富差距的不满 那那些参与的僧侣怎么算?他们衣食无忧但是在骚乱中充当了前锋的角色。
而且我认为现在的情况下，就算达赖回来了他也只能做宗教领袖，政府肯定不会放心让他搞政教合一。这也许是双方谈不拢的一个原因。两边底线就不一样。
家园 感觉现在达赖应该会放弃做政府首脑的念头。 达赖在西方人地头上混的时间久了，应该知道政教合一不受欢迎。现在应该不是谈不拢问题，而是根本就没有在谈。达赖讲过是想谈的，zf方面就不清楚了。也许根本就在等达赖身后控制转世的灵童吧。呵呵，达赖要是临死前说绝不转世到西藏形势就诡异了。
家园 不转世到西藏? 那tg不让你去拉萨金瓶挚签,怎么样?
如果达赖真能不转世到西藏的话,他早就会说这个话了.
他现在只能宣布他决定不转世了.那么从此达赖一系活佛就灭绝了.跟红教某系活佛一样.
家园 可能谈判是在班禅转世之后停的 至少在班禅转世之前,政府和达赖还经常沟通,达赖的一个兄弟是联络人.
甚至班禅转世的时候政府还寻求了达赖的认可,两边选了相同的人选出来.
但是后来达赖单方面在金瓶挚签之前宣布了转世班禅的消息,令政府很被动,政府就不再相信达赖了,而且还换了一个灵童做班禅.我觉得这点上达赖有些短视.
家园 同感。 所知有限，好像政府和达赖根本就没有过公开谈判。不过达赖既然公开宣布放弃独立，感觉还是开始谈比较好。为了西藏的长治久安，谈不拢再说。达赖知道自己的时间不多了，身段明显软多了。现在大陆虽然问题隐患不少，但是经济形势还好，政治也算稳定，国际地位也摆在那儿，我感觉是谈判的好时机。政治谈判不比经济合同谈判，可以一直谈下去，谈到满意为止，或者说谈到一边坚持不住为止，呵呵。