主题：【原创】闲话1 -- 井底望天
家园 you're a man with great vision.
我们将来如果要做领导世界的民族
Yes! But not with narrow-minded people at the top who can only speak Han Chinese.
China is a nation with many minorities. One of the reasons why Han people can not control Tibet/Xinjiang effectively is because the Han elites look down upon other minority culture and languages and refuse to learn those "non-Chinese" language.
Without language skill, how can you understand local culture?
Without cultural knowledge, how can you rule that region peacefully?
Without conquering people's mind, how can you really conquer that land???
When the British empire ruled the world, it had talents specializing in all kinds of languages. During WWI, it easily defeated Turks in the middle-east just with one Briton, the famous Lawrence of the Arabic. That guy spoke fluent Arabic and was an expert in mid-east civilization. He was trained at either Oxford or Cambridge.
When it comes to empire-building, China is just a humble pupil. Be patient and learn from the British empire. There is a lot of stuff to learn over time.
通宝推：友直友谅友多闻,家园 这篇不能完全同意 When it comes to empire-building, China is just a humble pupil.
说中国是个humble pupil未免过来。在empire building上，中国与西方的道不同而已。看看班超、陈汤们在西域的经营，其功业惠及千年之后的中国，恐非劳伦斯可比。Chinese exmpire的成功远超世界上任何一个帝国，因为她生存到今天，并将继续生存下去。
家园 我不完全同意你的观点。 作为一个发展中国家，我们还有太多的东西要做。可是我们在学习英语上花的时间已经太多，与所得完全不成比例，投入产出不划算。
国内对于英语学习、吸收外国最先进技术与信息、思想交流，还有职称考试等等等的关系，讨论的够多了。我认为最好的办法是用一帮精通外语的各学科专家把国外所有的优秀期刊直接给及时翻译出来出版--这样滞后期至多一两个月。有钱有人的话就扩大翻译范围，但所有人从小学四年级甚至很多小孩子上双语幼儿园开始直到大学、硕士还在为英语花上不菲的时间代价太高了。对应着的就是花在专业和其他学科上的时间大大的被压缩了。
阿拉伯的劳伦斯，是一个群体里的精英代表，他的出现确实代表着英国的阿拉伯文化研究成绩显著，但绝不意味着英国在阿拉伯语教学上花了很多代价，更不意味着英国人有象中国当前这样全民学英语。在上大学以后开始进行专业研究足够了，劳伦斯年纪并不小。以我们的大学生招生人数，就算每年分出1%的人去研究各国语言文化，每年就近6万，分到全世界的主要民族-宗教-文化圈上每个每年不少于2万，三十年就是60万。而我们真要成为世界老大（不仅仅是GDP)的地位怎么也还要30年积累，这样足够了。算算花的成本应该低多了吧。
两个中国人（？）交流这样一个英语一个汉语的，有没有鸡同鸭讲的感觉？李光耀和邓小平见面用翻译，这个别扭的就够难受了。要是连战与胡总见面还用翻译，那真是悲剧了--当然陈伯达对清华学生演讲旁边站个翻译是另外一回事--那更证明说普通话而不是方言的必要。
家园 因为中国有一个特殊学英语的利益集团 对于这个利益集团而言，学习英语是一个大生意。至于说能不能达到与世界沟通的效果是另外一回事，
以教育部为代表。中国人评职称，特别是学校里老师，要提上去必须英文过他们的考试关，学古文和中医也不例外。职称是跟以后经济收入高度相关，你说这一些人能不学吗？
所以有部门都是如此，象护士转正升职之类，必须过职称考试，才能有资格。至于你怎么过，不是他们关心的，反正你的报考费他们已经收了。小的在中学去做过护士一次场外枪手。那是全场都在狂抄。想想也是可悲，这一些经验丰富的护士业务都是能手，但是全要逼着来做这个。
大学里的四六级考试更是一门超大生意，找工作求职人家看你过了没有，考研究生也要过关。这样全国每年的一年应届加上往届的考生，那是以几百万来计的。中国报考费，教铺资料费用等。
强化学英语，就是保持这下特殊的利益集团的超额利润。为了保护这个利润，他们会动用一切手段来强化对英语要求.这一些要求，这就是中国人绝大部分学英语的动力
家园 花这一句 Without conquering people's mind, how can you really conquer that land???
心灵的控制才是最牢靠的控制。
全球化的年代，当然要有全球化的视野和意识。中国古代就是一个小世界，有包容的文化才能把这么多民族和文明变成一个国家，现在要重新出发。
家园 最高领导人不一定要会其他语言吧 其实中国精通其他语言的专业人才很多的。出于实际需要，连尼泊尔语这种话都有人专门学的，大学里也有相应的专业。老毛，周恩来这样的人物也不会外语（周的法语估计早忘光了）,藏族人，维族人好像对老毛还是很崇拜的。
当然虚心学习别人的长处是应该的。国内的英语热已经很说明问题了。八十九十年代日语也热过。中国人其实是善变的民族。英国人当初学外语，也是有实际的利益在里面。
家园 but Zhou and Deng lived outside China before and really had idea about the outside world
One or two leaders (e.g., Mao) can have no language skill or foreign experience, but in your LEADERSHIP group, you must have team members who are sophisticated on foreign language and culture. As China expands its sphere of influence, top leaders have to understand that their moves will have global impact later.
These two, Zhou and Deng, played important roles in contemporary China's history: one neutralized some negative impact of Mao and the other opened up china again so that you can enjoy the much improved life in China or outside China.
BTW, back in Europe, Zhou was well-known in his circle as a very image-conscious person. He dressed well with many girls chasing after him. He definitely still kept that "French" influence in his later life, though he depressed it to fit in with his peasant communist colleagues.
To be frank, when he really dressed up again as China's PM during all those important diplomatic meetings, he shined again among both Asian and Europeans. I have to say that he is really a very presentable Chinese man, in terms of fashion, personal hygiene, gesture, appearance and gentlemanhood. Today's Chinese leadership has a long way to catch up.
During the Geneva conference, Zhou successfully presented China's Liang Shan Bo & Zhu Ying Tia to foreigners and resold the show as China's "Romeo and Juliet"... That kind of social skill is learned from your foreign language/culture study in the past.
Deng, when he visited the U.S. in 1979, kissed the American kids who presented a show to the Sino-American leaders. That political "showmanship" really capture the hearts of American mothers and caused a small sensation when the picture was later published in the Time magazine-- Deng presented himself well as a personable senior leader who really cares and loves kids--not that kind of stereotyped image as a rigid, cold-hearted, blood-thirsty communist killer popular in the western media.
He clearly learned that from American politicians, but he DID NOT DO THAT at home with Chinese kids.
As I said many times before on this forum, language skill opens up one's mind. With language skill, it also comes the cultural knowledge, and more acceptance by both the minorities inside China as well as foreigners outside China.
For a nation destined to rule the world, being narrow-minded and inertia to other people's language and culture can transform small issues into trouble as well as possible political events.
Look at this American empire, you can see narrow-minded Americans did a much worse job compared with their British cousins.
家园 support
家园 老兄在河里多年，怎么也该改写中文了。 英语虽然能看，但连猜带蒙的累，毕竟有些词汇不熟。
中文论坛嘛，中文是官方语言。
说普通话，写规范字。
输入法网上下载免费，比如搜狗、QQ拼音输入法都挺好用的。
家园 山不就默罕默德，默罕默德便就山。 山不就默罕默德，默罕默德便就山。 谁掌握知识谁就是山。 他这份坚持是让人不舒服。不过他的行为不是故意捣乱，而有他自己的道理和准则。这主在某些方面，不是改造自己适应社会的主，而是个用自己意识影响社会的主。
要么用规则逼铁手赶人（不智且不太可行）。要么体会他的意图，委屈自己以获得信息（不舒服，有好处）。 世界总是不会让人太舒服的。
家园 银监会的主席将更换，新主席可能是郭树清。思路和刘相左。