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      通宝推:坚决要潜下去,ATP,老王,longpath,飒勒青,kkilo,唵啊吽,真理,无无名,红茶,查查,范进中举,化石,搁浅的船,牧羊犬,伪叔叔,shaolin,李唐王,木雅之岗,土豆丝,老调重弹,拈花虎,老醋花生,

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        家园 说王如何的,我还真不关心。

        本朝属于卓尔法则体系的一员,赢家宣告事实。

        我只需要静静等着赢家来宣布那个事实就行了。

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        家园 从优酷特地下载了那个宣传片,真不错

        中国铁路宣传片-下载地址

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        家园 葡大,meet Michael Ventura

        你所谓的大时代,西方还是有明白人感觉得到的 - 而且不仅是在金字塔顶的肉食阶层。

        这里介绍一位美国的草莽作家/思想家,河里貌似没人听过的:Michael Ventura,出身于纽约意大利贫民区的破碎家庭,其母及弟均精神病入院。发奋自学,博览群书,一度在好莱坞做编剧,其后游牧美西写作,在多个地方非主流小报挂单开专栏,在自由派圈子里小有知名度(虽然自身超越左右)。底下是他第一本杂文集的序言,网上没有,故小小破例全文转载 - 这个我觉得有“共产主义宣言”的分量:

        Introduction--It's 3 a.m. Twenty-Four Hours a Day

        3 a.m. An impossible time to read a newspaper. A book - perhaps. The television. Or you listen to music, or drink in silence, or listen to the breath of the sleeper beside you - a sound that sometimes comforts, but just as often, if you're willing to admit it, fills you with a nameless unease; you know that person both well and not at all, and there are times when you can't tell which is which. Or there's no one else there, and there isn't going to be. Either way, the night can feel like one huge parking garage in which you can't remember where you left your car.

        Sometimes you don't know if your wakefulness is or isn't a fear of dreams, and you wouldn't be sure of what to do if you knew. But what you are doing - standing in the dark, full of conflicting emotions - isn't that what the whole world's doing now? A world tossing and turning, restless with fresh and disturbing impulses, trying to redo itself, rethink itself, realign itself, and trying to live up to its troubled and inarticulate sense of new realities.

        That's what everybody's complaining about, not that the world's asleep but that it can't sleep any longer. It's been awakening for about a hundred years now. And people are arguing about exactly what time it is on the historical clock. The anti-nuclear activist Dr. Helen Caldicott, is right about nuclear weapons but wrong about the historical time of day. She says it's ten minutes to midnight. But it was ten minutes to midnight about a hundred years ago, before the discovery of radium and the publication of The Interpretation of Dreams; before Einstein's theories and before motion pictures, and lightbulbs and airplanes and cars; before the first cornet solos of Buddy Bolden and before Picasso's Demoiselles d'Avignon. By now the world's clock is at about 3 a.m. of the new day, the new civilization. For the new day doesn't start at dawn, the new day starts at midnight.

        The new day starts in darkness.

        Right now it's 3 a.m. in whatever we will call that period of human history that comes after A.D.

        When your clock reads 3 a.m. it's a time of separateness, of loneliness, of restlessness. Nothing on television, nothing in the newspaper, nothing much anywhere suggests that our restlessness, felt so privately, is part of something huge, something alive all over the world: a many-headed restlessness that is the shaky underpinning of nothing less than a worldwide transformation. We all know that technology is marrying all the races and places of our world into a pulsating, panicky whole that is far from knowing what to do with its (with our) imposed unity; and we sense that no culture on earth utilizes more than a small portion of the human brain, the human capacity (perhaps it's this unused part of ourselves that's making us so restless). But the new can't grow in what's already used up. It has to grow in what longs in us, in our loneliness and our restlessness. We make a mistake when we sidestep and placate these feelings, for only in the raw and unformed parts of ourselves - only in this bewildered area within - is there space for the new to take root.

        This may not be what you want to hear in your particular share of 3 a.m. So you pour a drink, maybe, and flick on the TV with your remote. Twenty-four-hour news, twenty-four-hour rock videos, twenty-four-hour movies. Here in L.A. you can get the 6 a.m. children's shows in Chicago (the Three Stooges doing in fun what you often wish to do in anger) or the early morning religious programming in Atlanta. You flick through about forty brief bursts of images, flick through them again, and flick them off. The silence is worse now. And if you go to sleep your psyche will provide its own swirl of images. And if you walk out the door - but perhaps you're nervous about taking a walk at 3 a.m., even though your neighborhood is certainly not the worst. And the world is in exactly the same state you are, though it tries to dignify its panic with the word "history."

        Who can say where the history of the world and the history of an individual separate? No matter how personal our individual sense of urgency is, that urgency is amplified in a feedback effect by a world that is able neither to meet us nor to leave us alone. No one can make a separate peace. That much is clear. For there's nowhere to hide anymore. The wilderness is washed with acid rain, and human viciousness can strike in the deserts as well as in the cities. There is no land anywhere - no city, no household - that is not touched by the common tumult. One of our most pressing personal problems now is how to meet the astounding, intrusive, and dangerous realities presented by an electronically instant, planet-spanning environment. How do we turn the noise of information into the coherence of vision?

        Plainly nobody is going to do it for us. Whether a resonant, resonating world culture evolves out of all this cacophony is strictly up to us - all fo us and some of us and each of us, at one and the same time. By a culture I mean a living web of thought that contains, rather than is contained by, the particulars of the environment. For right now we are surrounded, and intruded upon, by our technological environment, and culture as we've known it has been shattered. Its pieces are still alive but there is no longer a sense of a whole. We long for, we search for, we are trying to create, a new culture that can make sense of, and give human proportion to, the technologies through which humankind is now evolving.

        That's an easy thing to say and a difficult thing to live. Yet one doesn't decide to live out these concerns. We live, and these dilemmas come at us from the depths. There is no such thing anymore as minding your own business. And that fact is part of the nature of the problem, of the environment, and of the changes it has wrought in us.

        In such a world, 3 a.m. can suddenly strike in the middle of the afternoon.

        This book has been written in the hope that it might contain a few pages that could satisfy at 3 a.m. Most books today simplify a theory into an artifact and attempt to market that artifact for mass consumption. Here, there is no overall, cover-all thoery applied from cover to cover. That kind of forced unity seems false to me. It is not the world we live in and I doubt that it resembles the world we're approaching. How could there be a single subject or theory for a book meant to be received by our 3 a.m. restlessness, whether that restlessness strikes early in the morning or in the brightness of afternoon? For at 3 a.m. you're apt to think of anything, and anything you think of is apt to take on numinous properties. It may be your marriage or world politics; it may be a rock'n'roll song or the homework assignment your kid showed you last night; it may be thoughts of sex or images from a movie you saw weeks or years ago; it may be memories of the sixties or fantasies of the future. All of that will be in here, as one's consciousness shifts backward and forward through a world that, in turn, shifts around and within us as we pry through ourselves.

        But the book has a pattern, as all books must. That pattern is simply to begin with thoughts of the intimate life (marriage, sex); to the social life (rock'n'roll, mass movements); to media, then to history, then a vision of the present, then a vision of the future. The book makes a spiraling, circular movement, then, from the intimate outward.

        That is all the unity that seemed realistic or possible to me in a world where we are so scattered and desperate.

        I think of the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and how when the townspeople fell asleep their bodies were duplicated by alien "pods" from outer space. Only if the hero and heroine could keep awake could they resist being taken over by the body snatchers. In just that way, our consciousness is in danger of being overpowered by the surrounding cacophony. We have got to keep awake till the dawn of the new culture that must be taking shape out of all this chaos. Or is that a rash hope? Since only the future can answer us, we must keep faith with that future.

        But faith is too abstract a concept for most of us now. I like to think of it as dancing. For this is a time of tremendous movement, and dancing is the embracing of movement. Within a dance there are many changes and there is the necessity to remain centered within those changes. We dance among shadows and we cast shadows as we dance. And something moves within our movement: the unity of the dancer with what is danced. Such is the dance of the self with the outside world, and the dance of the self with our inner worlds. The thought dance, the love dance, the work dance - the grace we strive for, and the sense of movement that is sometimes all that keeps us alive.

        Survival is a frightened word. Think of it as dancing. The new day starts at midnight. We have to dance till dawn.

        - 此文写就于1985。

        这里内地河友的思维方式还是东方传统的,集体主义的,根基于黑格尔马克思式的社会化大叙事。Michael Ventura 所代表的是美式新教主义受荣格启发 New Age 思潮冲击过的后政治“个人直面宇宙”的人生观 - 美国人不信神马青天大老爷。如果未来中国的趋势真的是向西方小资化,非政治化的“正常”靠拢,那么 Michael Ventura 可以帮助我们每个人自寻出路(同时不需放弃咱们对中华民族的认同,正如基督徒可以学禅)。

        西西河平均的思考广度和深度,西方网站望尘莫及。这些思想宝藏深锁自家是很可惜的事。希望看到河友和外国同道智者的交流,共同对抗国际资本和权利集团的罪恶联盟,阻止这个“干电池的未来”。

        思想最后得落实于生活。舞动起来吧!

        通宝推:Levelworm,葡萄,
        • 家园 这种风格很吸引我

          恰好在半夜两点钟读这篇文章。我很喜欢这种读完了不知道说什么但是又好像充满了什么的感觉。

          “当我沉默着的时候,我觉得充实;我将开口,同时感到空虚。”

          • 家园 如果你开车横跨过美国内陆

            大平原,大沙漠,高速公路,汽车旅馆。你就能体会他想表达的境界。

            真诚推荐葡萄等大牛都来试试。暂时抽离中国的名利场,放空一切,在广袤的新大陆天空下做几天渺小的凡人。It puts everything into perspective.

            喜欢的话可以读读他的几本散文集和小说:

            Shadow Dancing in the USA

            Letters at 3 AM

            We've Had One Hundred Years of Psychotherapy, and the World is Getting Worse

            Night Time Losing Time

        • 家园 haohao

          送花成功。有效送花赞扬。感谢:作者获得通宝一枚。

          参数变化,作者,声望:1;铢钱:16。你,乐善:1;铢钱:-1。本帖花:1

        • 家园 花你的结尾这句!

          思想最后得落实于生活。舞动起来吧!

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        家园 哈哈哈,大笑三声,原来你们说对中国有信心,是永远做廉价

        劳动力的信心。

        看楼下的讨论,原来,你们对中国的信心,就是中国不再发展了,中国就停留在目前的国际分工上,中国不用越变越好,只要中国人民永远充当世界的廉价劳动力,中国南美化,甚至像苏联一样分裂掉,只要还有一小块地方自称中国,就是对中国有信心。

        奥巴马看了该很高兴了吧:早就说过这个地球不能容纳中国人都过美国人的生活吗。

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        家园 【原创】

        葡萄终于写了篇不绕的文章

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        家园 原本是有信心的,可是跨越和王局的事情出来之后,

        跨越出事的时候,还只是愤慨,还认为是高层中了别人的奸计。可是等到王局出事之后,我是真的动摇了。中国,也许还会凭着巨大的惯性再往前发展一段时间,但是已经失去了发展的动力了。无他,人才是一个国家发展的关键。若果这些真心做事情的人一个一个被打倒,以后的人谁敢真心做事情啊?失去了发展动力的国家,就是维持一段时间表面的繁荣,然后就像腐烂的豪华宫殿一样,外力一击,随时轰然倒塌。

        说起外力,如果红朝仍然是像中国历史上诸多王朝一样,可以不受或很少受外来干扰地存在,那么是可以坚持很长一段时间的,比如讲,两三百年。可是现在国际社会,就类似于中国古代的政权割据时期,你稍微有些漏洞或者虚弱的地方,就会有别的国家趁机来攻击你。割据时期的政权,寿命通常比大一统时代都短得多,就是这个道理。

        考察今天的政权生态,不能因为占据了中国的大部分领土,就认为是大一统的王朝。殊不知,大一统和割据最主要的区别,就是有没有来自这个政权本身之外的巨大威胁。以这个标准来判断,现在的地球村,就是一个大号的类似中国历史上割据时期的情况。

        红朝未必适用大一统的周期率,反而是割据时期的生态,更适合目前的局面。

        通宝推:Trilob,
        • 家园 不同的解读

          周期率、必然性、历史的循回圈、太祖最后全身全灵地以牺牲自我、搞的文革的真正意义何在?

          当我们能完全明白时、社会制度的发展会有个质的飞跃、如果没有文革、我想今天来西西河的你我、对公正公平的理解会同西式文明一样是一个宗教信仰模式的文字观念、尤其在西方"文明"国家生活多年的大多数人、对西方"文明"国家的人权、民主持怀疑态态度、为什么?

          社会制度的发展是个量变质变的过程、从原始到封建到资本到社会到共产主义的发展过程中、物质基础尤其重要、但在新生事物(社会制度质变飞跃)初期、一个应时、合理的社会政治体系能对巩固、稳定、发展新生事物起到重大作用。

          秦始皇被打倒、秦朝被灭、但郡县制对华夏文明的贵献延续至今、土共创立社会主义新中国、能逆天是以封建社会物质基础战胜资资本主义物质文明的破天荒的反社会制度发展周期率的成功典范、是人类文明绝无仅的新生事物、以优越的社会政治制、跨越物质基础战胜了资本主义的强大物质文明、仅以苏联为例他们的物质强于我们数倍、但他己倒下而我们还站着、并不断发展壮大为什么?理由只有一个、我们经历了文革。毛泽东被某公打到、但被毛泽东思想解放的人民是会拥有打破历史周期率钥匙的。

          先烈们当年在如此俭难困苦中能挺过来、靠的是什么?坚定的信仰、葡萄所言你信什么大概指的就是信仰。

          太祖埋下的是人类文明发展的"超级水稻"优良种子、任何严寒酷暑也灭不了她、她己生根发芽、现在野火春吹又生了。

          无论何时何地、坚定你心中的那个"信"

        • 家园 地球村更像东周吧

          首先我觉得非要用历史去套现实,就是典型的刻舟求剑,意义不大。其次今天的地球村,跟割据时代明显不同,没有国家追求吞并消灭其他大国,更像是春秋争霸,小国的命运不在自己手中,几乎可以忽略,大国起起落落却很难灭亡,落魄如被吴灭了的楚,也可以复国。

          割据是相对于强大的中央而言的,如果能做到西夏对宋那样的实力对比,就已经保证了自己就是内乱也不会别人摘了桃子。赞同你说的大一统和割据的区别,但是我认为,今天的五常都没有政权本身之外的巨大威胁,受外界威胁的,是伊拉克,伊朗,巴基斯坦这种规模的国家,大点到日本,巴西,阿根廷,意大利之类的,外界的威胁都做不到推翻现政权,最多换个马罢了。

          • 家园 东周也有大国被灭,地球村里苏联的例子才没多久啊

            落魄如被吴灭了的楚,也可以复国。

            可是被越王勾践灭了的吴王夫差,还能复国吗?你这是典型的选择性记忆,凡是没有被灭的,才能成为大国。但是不能反过来说,凡是大国就都不会被灭。

            但是我认为,今天的五常都没有政权本身之外的巨大威胁,受外界威胁的,是伊拉克

            苏联才解体不是很久吧?怎么就都忘记了?

            • 家园 吴算大国么。。。苏联亡于美国了?

              吴从爵位上,从实力上,从历史上,算哪门子大国。齐楚秦晋,春秋到战国,一直都是这几家在玩吧,吴越着两个添头,根宋襄公也就一个档次。何况我说的大国很难灭亡根你说的大国不会被灭,是两码事。

              苏联是亡于政权之外的巨大威胁么,叶利钦代戈尔巴乔夫,跟武则天代唐,王莽篡汉像呢,还是跟元灭宋像?

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