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            • 家园 家人干净不干净,台上的一个都不敢打包票。

              以前不是也盛传过儿子的事么。

      • 家园 残酷程度来说,TG比美国还是好得多啊

        tg这种党内有派的毛病就是:两派都在台上,势均力敌,结果就导致了薄王事件这样惨烈的火拼。现代社会的政治斗争有必要这样残酷吗?何况以前还都是党内同志。

        最近美国这个CIA局长五角恋的事情,跟薄王可以比比。但这个还不算什么,人家总统肯尼迪和李根都吃过花生米呢,一个死了一个受伤。那不比TG这残酷多了?

        就连弯弯,阿扁的两颗子弹,你是当惨烈剧看呢还是当搞笑剧看?至于后来阿扁进了监狱,也不比薄王少残酷吧。

        • 家园 局长司令好像是新生事物

          局长现年60岁,司令59岁,有长期指挥四军协同情报局作战的成功经验,一流的执行能力。八年以内,俩人将前后脚地从军官技术官转向政治家。联调局未报请高级批准,仅凭民事纠纷线索,即可密查同级部门首长和战斗部队司令?怎么看都是美国政治生活中的新生事物。中国更没有过,不具可比性。

          • 家园 新动向:小四借局长名义谈生意,索要8千万美元

            外链出处

            Businessman: Jill Kelley Asked for $80M, Bragged of Petraeus Connection

            By BRIAN ROSS | ABC News – Thu, Nov 15, 2012

            A New York businessman who discussed a multi-billion-dollar Korean business deal with Jill Kelley said the Tampa woman at the center of the Petraeus scandal told him Gen. Petraeus had arranged for her to become an honorary consul for South Korea and promote free trade, and then asked him for $80 million to complete the deal.

            "Ms. Kelley made it clear to me that General Petraeus put her in this position, and that's why she was able to have access to such senior levels [of the Korean government]," said Adam Victor, president and CEO of TransGas Development Systems, "that they were essentially doing a favor for General Petraeus, and that she had access solely because of her relationship with General Petraeus."

            Victor, who met Kelley at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August, said he was disappointed in Gen. Petraeus for helping Kelley become an honorary consul. "Frankly, I blame Gen. Petraeus for this as a lapse of judgment," he said. "The general should have known better."

            Gen. Petraeus resigned as CIA director last Friday after an FBI investigation turned up evidence of an affair between Petraeus and Paula Broadwell, co-author of the Petraeus biography "All In." The investigation began when Kelley, a Tampa socialite, told an FBI agent she knew about "harassing" emails that turned out to originate from Broadwell.

            According to Victor, he went to Tampa to promote coal gasification and met a friend of Kelley's who suggested that they meet to discuss a possible international deal. "The person who introduced me to her said that she was well known to be a very close friend of Gen. Petraeus," said Victor.

            Victor said that he and Kelley met in "the VIP section" at the convention, where Kelly said that "she was a very good friend of Gen. Petraeus," and that "he arranged for her to get this position of honorary consul for South Korea" to promote free trade. She also allegedly said she had access to senior government officials in Korea.

            Victor said he thought it made sense that Petraeus would want to put a trusted aide in charge of promoting free trade. When Kelley named her fee for brokering the deal, however, Victor balked. The coal gasification plants under discussion were worth $4 billion, said Victor -- and Kelley wanted a two percent cut. "That's an $80 million fee," he said. "And I mean that is problematic . . . No broker gets $80 million. I mean that's two whole orders of magnitude higher than what they would get."

            Victor said he "terminated the relationship" after Kelley asked for $80 million. He decided that while she was not making an inappropriate request on purpose, it showed she was inexperienced and unqualified for the job. He also began to wonder about Petraeus's judgment.

            "It became clear that it did not smell right," he said. "Gen. Petraeus should not have put an inexperienced person in charge of the Free Trade Agreement with such an important ally as South Korea."

            "It's a sad day for the country," concluded Victor. "Gen. Petraeus has served this country well."

            A spokesperson for Jill Kelley did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

            Retired Army Col. Steve Boylan, a friend and former spokesperson for ex-CIA Director Petraeus, said it was "nonsense" that Petraeus had any part in Kelley's alleged Korean deal. "He knows nothing about it," insisted Boylan. "What other people do he can't control." Another source told ABC News that Petraeus had asked Kelley to stop throwing his name around.

            现在看看局长能否跟小四切割吧。如果真是局长帮小四当上韩国荣誉领事,那他至少也是一个“用人不察”。

            • 家园 你觉得是小四的生意,还是局长的生意?

              我个人觉得更像是局长的生意哦,小四只是白手套。

              局长一方面给小四名誉大使的头衔,便于美国接洽业务;

              一方面让宇宙国做冤大头,工程定向包给小四的人。

              可惜国内媒体还傻乎乎说小四是“骗子”

          • 家园 F探员的说法是,小四告诉F探员说小三发威胁电邮给她,

            那个F探员为了讨好小四,自然就很卖力去查了小三发威胁电邮的那个邮箱,确定了小三的身份,并发现邮箱中跟另一个电邮地址有很露骨的内容,于是追查到另一个电邮地址,最后才确认这个电邮地址是C局长的。

            所以刚开始并不是要查C局长,只是最后把他牵出来了而已。这个和刚开始就是针对C局长的调查是不一样的。

            至于A司令呢,是因为他和小四共用一个邮箱,也是被牵连出来的。现在则是给他扣了一个“不当通讯”的帽子,正式立案侦查了。

            “爱国者法案”出来之后,F局可以调查任何人吧,只要认为对国家安全可能构成威胁。

            • 家园 立案荒唐

              照联调局的说法,对局长司令的秘密调查和取证是合法程序。但是,每天不知道有多少美国人在私下和公开互相叫骂威胁,哪能都立案调查。婚外情是美国一个社会问题,仅有破坏军婚情节才算过槛,即便如此,也轮不到联调局出面。一无业民女交了密探朋友,这也罢了,却如何能说服密探的诸多上级?居然还一直瞒住参院情报主席和国防部长。总之是一新鲜事物。

              • 家园 这是不是就是爱国者法案啊,F局可以随便调查任何人
        • 家园 你举的例子有两个都不一定站得住脚。

          根据现有的爆料看,肯尼迪阴谋论的可能性较大。

          而里根的枪击案,目前的爆料没有多少是支持说某个利益集团要干掉里根的。美国白宫时有枪击案爆出,最后没见有证据是要暗杀总统的。

          至于陈水扁,子弹划破肚皮说明竞选激烈,以至于陈水扁出盘外招,这个怎么能算政治斗争残酷呢?说竞选残酷还差不多。最后阿扁蹲监和薄熙来被“定向反腐”完全是两回事。马英九要像陈水扁那样干,照样可能蹲监。你觉得胡温可能蹲监么?

          • 家园 那个枪手头天跟老布什的大儿子吃过饭

            那个枪手头天跟老布什的大儿子吃过饭。

            老布什是副总统,里根挂了,他就是总统。

          • 家园 里根那个,子弹射到防弹车上再反弹打穿左肺,总觉得匪夷所思

            一大堆保镖警察,就这么被一个毫无背景的人当场连开六枪,击中了四个人,而凶手毫发无伤?最后连个罪名都没有判。

            这么多奇怪的事情凑在一起,要是说没有阴谋论,恐怕很难有说服力吧。

            陈水扁的两颗子弹,不管你叫它“政治斗争残酷”也好,“竞选残酷”也罢,反正都是残酷。

            最后,马英九要像薄熙来那样干,照样可能蹲监,别说蹲监,可能跟肯尼迪一样,命都没了。这才是正确的对比。看看韩国那些前总统们的命运就知道了。

            • 家园 看来我们没有表明对比的标准,才在此各说各话。

              里根的事,太远,就不扯了。

              至于后来阿扁进了监狱,也不比薄王少残酷吧。

              阿扁和薄王都进了监狱(薄熙来现在据说是在秦城吧?),我觉得这是你拿阿扁比薄王的原因。

              阿扁进监狱的根本原因是因腐败被起诉,控辩双方是针尖对麦芒。阿扁自认为是政治迫害,根本就没得到大多数台湾人的认可。

              而薄的事,你认为根本原因是腐败吗?我认为根本原因是权力斗争。

              另外,请也参考一下我回马哥的帖子:链接出处,更能说明我想表达的。

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