主题：【文摘】北美独立战争: 美国人编出来的神话 -- 李根
家园 补充资料 请参考穿越小说 《一八九三》中
第二百一十三节 去华盛顿[上]
第二百一十四节 去华盛顿[下]
家园 中学历史教材代表的是官方的主流意识形态 国内详细的美国史研究，和中学历史教材上的宣传差距很大。有不少学者认为美国独立战争，与其说是一场民族独立战争，还不如说是一场政治分离运动。也很少人否认法国荷兰在美国独立战争中的作用。
楼主与其说是打媚美精英的脸，还不如说打教育部的脸。中学历史注重的是对孩子们价值观的塑造，贯穿的是tg的主流历史观，是对革命和民族解放战争的歌颂。教材编成那样，不是因为崇美，而是为了宣传一种革命和反抗的历史观。
家园 求亲王的文章 家园 老毛的终身制是命中注定，但不值得赞赏 终身制的致命缺陷是，国家注定会在一段时间里由於某个人的老而不死而陷入奸臣当道社会停顿，不管那个人曾经多么英明神武。
老毛的终身制是那代中国人的宿命，因为他实在太伟大了。但终身制本身实在不是个好东西。
歪楼了，抱歉。
家园 历史要看谁人来写 中国的硬骨头文人自秦以来不复存矣.........
家园 马亲王的那个文章还真没看过，叫什么啊？ 家园 坚决支持你的说法 家园 俺这一辈的人多半是读这种缺心眼或者坏心眼的人文方面教科书 That's China's problem, not America's problem. You should blame your compatriots, not Americans. They do not ask you to distort and misreport their history.
俺要反的，是这种“无脑跟顶”式的对美国的盲目崇拜，甚至不惜故意篡改史料来欺骗未成年人和成年人的行为。i see, it is actually a CIVIL WAR of words. ^-^
BTW, I do not worship America. When I read American history, I read only books written in English. I know Chinese textbooks have the naive problem as you mentioned. Actually, we often joked in the past that People's Daily has only the publication date that's trustworthy.
People got poisoned because there is uniformed textbook in China's educational system. The textbooks are reviewed and approved by China's gov. You should blame your own educational system back there.
If you allow different school districts to decide which textbook they want to use and leave the textbook decision in the hands of local people, you will not have this problem because people will be aware of different texts, different views or perspectives, and there will be competition in the book market.
I saw such practice in both high schools as well as universities. Even in business school education, different schools can teach different or even contradictory perspectives/theory. I know this because I am in this system. There is constant competition, therefore, there is NO "orthodox" textbook.
As to my judgment of Mao, I keep mine, you keep yours. Let's agree to disagree. I do not want to debate further. The fact is that more Chinese immigrated to America than Americans immigrated to China. Benefit of freedom is not visible or tangible, you only feel it when you live in it.
I do not care about lip service. Where people put their ass usually indicate where they truly prefer after careful consideration. People are rational in maximizing self-interests, though lip service often gives others the opposite impression.
As to whether G.W. can put himself as the emperor. The fact was that his army was underpaid and his officers stormed into the Congress building, almost put the Congress under military control if G.W. did not block them. 2000 years ago, Caesar intentionally used underpaid soldiers and their anger against senate to wipe out Roman Republic. He succeeded. I do not think G.W. could not do the same thing if he wanted. Anyway Napoleon chose Caesar's path and he was adored by Frenchmen even today. Of course, G.W. would have killed many smart competiting politicians and his gov. could only be a dictatorship. While, throughout the world, that was normal at that time. America might have descended into Haiti V2. Anyway, 枪杆子里面出政权, as to tax revenue, you can use gun to collect just as people do in Africa. KMT gov. did similar things before 1949.
当了总司令乃至总统以后，连军饷也没有着落，这种情况下想当皇帝，下场真的是要惨过袁大头。亲王写过一篇搞笑文，深挖花生炖从来就没有过当皇帝的想法的原因，不会没看过吧。Again, it is a personal judgment, you believe it will not happen in America, while, I believe it could. I read serious English studies in States. I guess American historians knew better than Chinese forum posters.
Again, I want to emphasize a common sense: cultural revolution was initiated and planned by Mao. I never question his other achievements, but if he could have transferred power more peacefully to other competent successors and help China established a civilized power transfer system, he would have been a perfect statesman adored by many generations.
Unfortunately, he took another path. That's his choice as well as his limitation.
As to 不信你到某些论坛上，骂毛的文章悍牛冲洞. That's cyberspace which is so difficult to filter and control. You have not read 骂毛的文章published in serious paper print or in any mainstream media back in China. That's indicative of the TRUE level of media freedom.
I want to reminded you that the following RECENT top Chinese leaders did not have a peaceful ending in their career/life: Hu Yaobang, Zhao Zhiyang. Political uncertainty is still a big risk in China, admit it or not.
As to 对美国的盲目崇拜, I quoted one artcile from Blah blah.
第一个层次我称为高楼大厦崇拜，就是认为高楼大厦就是先进，灯光越多越好，人流越旺越好，这个层次上对美国失望的一般在才下飞机的或者走马看花旅游的，而且通常是期望很高那种，期望越高失望越大。
过了这个层次，就是"我也有"心理，特别集中在当年想出国没出成的人身上，一般在国内奋斗成就不错，就老喜欢说你美国有这个我们也有，我们有这个你没有吧。这个阶层比高楼大厦有所进步，因为看得多了，开始多方位比较，上至地铁干净度，下至交通灯灯号都要比一比，以找到美国落后的地方为荣。
再上一个层次，就是住过美国一段时间，接触过美国傻瓜的人，以海龟为多。因为以前中国人神化了外国，总认为外国人就是有道德，有智商(some authors attacked by you are at this level; laughing stock for me too)，在这里生活了一段时间就知道蠢蛋坏人处处有，发展中国家的集中率比较高而已。这开始脱离表面的硬件崇拜，开始了软件比较。
再往上就是生活工作了一段时间，开始全方位地了解美国，从盲目崇拜到崇拜破灭到重新欣赏，到真正懂得美国为什么强大而难以复制，从简单的硬件软件比较到了解整个国家崛起的背景历史渊源，从而知道她真正的力量，所以即使认为美国好，不是崇拜这个国家，而是崇拜形成这个国家的自然力量。I am at this stage.
As to 这种缺心眼或者坏心眼的人文方面教科书 authors, they are my laughing stock long time ago, since I had direct access to English books.
In sum, language skill is the power. It enlightens one ahead of many peers. 北美独立战争: 美国人编出来的神话--actually, this article is a Chinese CIVIL FIGHT. Unfortunately, Americans were used as a Chinese CIVIL FIGHT weapon.
(When I studied French history, I also spent time learning French. Through the French perspective and texts, I find better understanding of their history than through the English text. I recommend this approach to everyone on this forum. Learning a foreign language could be great fun and is not so difficult at all. AT LEAST SUCH SKILL GIVES YOU THE CAPABILITY TO DE-BRAINWASH WHAT WAS BRAINWASHED INTO YOUR MIND BY THE CHINESE EDUCATION).
家园 您提到的美国学校教育中可以自由选择教材的问题 很有意思。不知您有没有更具体的资料或者亲身体会。能不能讲的更具体一点？
我在另一个贴子里也提了这个问题。链接
家园 更具体的资料 For example, if you teach Economics, there are at least 20 textbooks available in the market (check amazon.com) written by different professors at different schools. Some are more pro-free market, some are more neutral, some are of Keynesian school thus more in favor of governmental regulation and intervention.
Coverage of classical economics is very similar, but when it comes to modern topics, the differences start to appear in different textbooks.
At university level, textbook selection is the POWER OF PROFESSOR who teaches one specific course, not of administrative staff or school president. If administration intervenes, it will be perceived as interference of academic freedom with backlash from many professors.
BTW, Marx political economics is still taught at some schools, though not in the mainstream.
So it is common that 12 universities can use 12 different textbooks and publishers/authors compete against each other.
As to the high-school level(public sector), US does have federal level department of education, but with limited power. The school book selection is in the hand of local educational board who get its finance through real estate tax (China should collect this tax too so that local gov. do not have to sell land to get ONE-TIME concession to finance local government expenditure).
As to private high-school, of course, government can say nothing in terms of textbook selection. But keep in mind: you can not teach useless religious fundamentalism stuff because no mid-class parents want to pay hard-earned after-tax 20-30k per year for this kind of useless crap.
That's why it is very difficult to implement federal-level educational reform. You can try to talk to different groups to get more and more consensus, but do not expect uniform textbook/syllabi...
What Americans excel is self-governance, that's a 250-year tradition. You will see that if you live in one place long enough.
