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    • 家园 这朵花是必须要送的

      感谢葡萄兄推荐这个论坛,确实非常不错。

      • 家园 我是满互联网搜索葡萄的这个帖子才找到西西河来的

        握个手

        • 家园 谢谢,现在在查巴西的一些数字卡住了

          主要是要查巴西为什么在早期金融危机爆发时为什么不准备外汇储备,还有金融危机爆发时候的一些债务问题与当时的财务收支情况.其实写这些也是对今天认识中国的金融情况做参考,看看巴西奇迹怎么变成了巴西危机的.

          • 家园 哪一次金融危机?

            或者偶能找些鸟语资料。

            • 家园 谢谢,那我就不客气了

              第一是查,70年代因为石油危机开始的那次巴西金融危机,巴西有没有象我在一份资料里看见的那样没有外汇储备或者几乎视同没有外汇储备.(可以的话说说原因,我大致推理的出原因,不过我更希望有依据的写.)

              第二是查80年代巴西失去的十年里金融危机发生时期的收支情况,与短期拆借利率情况.最好有他们债务如何以几何方式攀升的资料.(现在卡在了80年代巴西篇,想对之前与当时的金融危机做点认真思考,以次看今天我们一些人说的拉美化有无可能在中国发生.)

              • 家园 这里有一篇论文,可以看看

                http://scholar.google.com/url?sa=U&q=http://www2.fgv.br/professor/fholanda/Arquivo/Economicdevelop.pdf

                记得大学学城市规划的时候,670年代巴西是个反面教材。

              • 家园 维基上抄来的

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Brazil

                据说是从国会图书馆研究文章中摘录,应该不算太离谱。

                说是石油危机后继续举债催发展的经济政策,希望经济发展速度能够超越外债增长速度。结果是反过来,就挂了。

                • 家园 恩,感激了

                  刚才朋友说在有一个学校有一个韩国的博士生论文,是关于巴西,俄罗斯,中国,印度的汇率的 (英国的学校),还有点资料是法语的.如果被许可弄到了我一起发上来,大家一起参考.我太笨,现在才想到请人帮助,汗一个.

                  • 家园 谷歌的论文搜索不错

                    scholar.google.com

                    偶都是用维基看大略,再去搜论文看academic的结论。

              • 家园 最后……

                1985-89 period

                During the second half of the 1980s, it became increasingly clear that a large-scale fiscal reform, one that enabled noninflationary financing of the public sector, was needed not only to control inflation but also to restore the public sector's capacity to invest. Both were essential for an economic recovery. However, political obstacles prevented the reform from materializing. And, because inflation had become the most visible symptom of the public-sector disequilibrium, there were several attempts to bring inflation under control through what came to be known as "heterodox economic shocks." The period saw three such shocks: the Cruzado Plan (1986), the Bresser Plan (1987), and the Summer Plan (1989).

                The objective of the Cruzado Plan was to eliminate inflation with a dramatic blow. Between 1980 and 1985, the rise in the GPI had escalated from 86.3 percent to 248.5 percent annually. Early in 1986, the situation became desperate, prodding the implementation of the plan. Its main measures were a general price freeze, a wage readjustment and freeze, readjustment and freeze on rents and mortgage payments, a ban on indexation, and a freeze on the exchange rate.

                The plan's immediate results were spectacular: the monthly rate of inflation fell close to zero, economic growth surged upward, and the foreign accounts remained under control. However, by the end of 1986 the plan was in trouble. The wage adjustments were too large, increasing aggregate demand excessively and creating inflationary pressures. Moreover, the price freeze was maintained for too long, creating distortions and leading to shortages of a growing number of products. The plan could have been rescued if adjustments had been made at crucial moments. Instead, inflation accelerated again, and there was a return of indexation.

                The two other stabilization plans amounted to renewed attempts at bringing inflation down from very high levels. It was soon clear that without a thorough reform of the public sector, controlling inflation would be impossible. Both plans introduced a price freeze and eliminated indexation, but there were differences between them, and with the Cruzado Plan. Neither was able to address the public-sector disequilibrium effectively. The objective of the Summer Plan, for instance, was mainly to avoid hyperinflation in an election year.

                In fact, the public-sector disequilibrium became virtually locked in as a result of the 1988 constitution, which created advantages for various segments of society without indicating how these advantages would be paid for. Moreover, it transferred large portions of the tax revenues from the federal government to state and municipal governments, without requiring them to provide additional public services. With less revenue and more responsibility, the federal accounts experienced growing deficits. In addition, several subsidies were locked into the legislation. These factors and the financial burden of the public debt meant growing problems of public finance.

                The 1980s ended with high and accelerating inflation and a stagnant economy, which never recovered after the demise of the Cruzado Plan. The public debt was enormous, and the government was required to pay very high interest rates to persuade the public to continue to buy government debt instruments.

              • 家园 继续……

                1981-84 period

                In 1979 a second oil shock nearly doubled the price of imported oil to Brazil and lowered the terms of trade further. The rise in world interest rates increased sharply Brazil's balance of payments problem and the size of the foreign debt. Nevertheless, the government continued borrowing, mainly to face an increasing debt burden, while it tried vainly to maintain the high-growth strategy. At the beginning of the 1980s, however, the foreign-debt problem became acute, leading to the introduction of a program to generate growing trade surpluses in order to service the foreign debt. The program was achieved by reducing growth and, with it, imports, and by expanding exports. As a result, in 1981 real GDP declined by 4.4 percent. The 1982 Mexican debt crisis ended Brazil's access to international financial markets, increasing the pressure for economic adjustment.

                The austerity program imposed by the International Monetary Fund in late 1979 continued until 1984, but substantial trade surpluses were obtained only from 1983 on, largely as a delayed result of the import-substitution industrialization programs of the 1970s and the reduction in imports brought about by economic decline. The austerity program enabled Brazil to meet interest payments on the debt, but at the price of economic decline and increasing inflation.

                Inflation accelerated as a result of a combination of factors: the exchange-rate devaluations of the austerity program, a growing public deficit, and an increasing indexation of financial balances, wages, and other values for inflation. The first two factors are classical causes of inflation; the last became an important mechanism for propagating inflation and in preventing the usual instruments of inflation control from operating.

                By the mid-1980s, domestic debt nearly displaced foreign debt as Brazil's main economic problem. During the high-growth 1970s, a significant portion of foreign borrowing had been by state enterprises, which were the main actors in the import-substitution industrialization strategy. Initially, they borrowed to finance their investments. However, toward the end of the decade, with the acute shortage of foreign exchange, the government forced state enterprises to borrow unnecessarily, increasing their indebtedness markedly. Their situation worsened with the sharp rise in international interest rates in the late 1970s, the devaluations of the austerity program, and the decreasing real prices of goods and services provided by the public enterprises stemming from price controls. Because the state enterprises were not allowed to go bankrupt, their debt burden was transferred gradually to the government, further increasing the public debt. This, and a growing disorganization of the public sector, transformed the public debt into a major economic problem. By the mid-1980s, the financial burden stemming from the debt was contributing decisively to its rapid expansion.

              • 家园 鸟语资料来了

                Growth with debt, 1974-80

                Brazil suffered drastic reductions in its terms of trade as a result of the 1973 oil shock. In the early 1970s, the performance of the export sector was undermined by an overvalued currency. With the trade balance under pressure, the oil shock led to a sharply higher import bill. Under such circumstances, a prudent course of action would have been to devalue the cruzeiro and to adopt growth-reducing policies in order to contain imports. However, Brazil opted to continue a high-growth policy. Furthermore, it adopted renewed strategies of import-substitution industrialization and of economic diversification. In the mid-1970s, the regime began implementing a development plan aimed at increasing self-sufficiency in many sectors and creating new comparative advantages. Its main components were to promote import substitution of basic industrial inputs (steel, aluminum, fertilizers, petrochemicals), to make large investments in the expansion of the economic infrastructure, and to promote exports.

                This strategy was effective in promoting growth, but it also raised Brazil's import requirements markedly, increasing the already large current-account deficit. The current account was financed by running up the foreign debt. The expectation was that the combined effects of import-substitution industrialization and export expansion eventually would bring about growing trade surpluses, allowing the service and repayment of the foreign debt.

                Thus, despite the world recession resulting from other countries' adjustments to the oil shock, Brazil was able to maintain a high growth rate. Between 1974 and 1980, the average annual rate of growth of real GDP reached 6.9 percent and that of industry, 7.2 percent. However, the current-account deficit increased from US$1.7 billion in 1973 to US$12.8 billion in 1980. The foreign debt rose from US$6.4 billion in 1963 to nearly US$54 billion in 1980.

                Brazil was able to raise its foreign debt because, at the time, the international financial system was awash in petrodollars and was eagerly offering low-interest loans. By the end of the 1970s, however, the foreign debt had reached high levels. Additionally, the marked increase of international interest rates raised the debt service, forcing the country to borrow more only to meet interest payments. Productive capacity, exports, and the substitution of imports in various sectors expanded and became more diversified. However, the expected impacts on Brazil's current account were not to materialize until the mid-1980s.

                Another feature of the 1974-80 period was an acceleration of inflation. Between 1968 and 1974, the rate of inflation had declined steadily, but afterward the trend was reversed. From 16.2 percent a year in 1973, the growth rate of the general price index increased to 110.2 percent a year by 1980.

                Stagnation, inflation, and crisis, 1981-94

                The effect of the 1974-85 period's industrialization on the balance of trade was significant. The balance of trade moved from an average deficit of US$3.4 billion in the 1974-76 period to an average surplus of US$10.7 billion in the 1983-85 period. In 1985 the share of manufactures (processed and semiprocessed) of total exports reached 66 percent, and between 1971-75 and 1978-83 the share of basic input imports in total imports declined from 32.3 percent to 19.2 percent. The recession and stagnation of the early 1980s had a role in reducing imports. However, import substitution was also important, as demonstrated by the few years of the 1980s that experienced a significant growth in GDP while the trade surplus was maintained.

                Between 1981 and 1992, the GDP increased at an average annual rate of only 1.4 percent and per capita income declined 6 percent. Gross investment, as a proportion of GDP, fell from 21 to 16 percent, in part as a result of the fiscal crisis and the loss of public-sector investment capacity. The decline also reflected growing uncertainties regarding the future of the economy. The 1980s became known as the "lost decade," and its problems spilled over into the 1990s. Despite the stagnation of the 1981-92 period, inflation remained a major problem (see stagflation). It sometimes reached very high rates, prompting the implementation of short-lived shock-stabilization programs.

      • 家园 恩,喜欢这里是因为讨论多口水少

        相互帮助多,脏东西少.哪怕有时候问了很笨很笨的问题,热心回答你的人不少.最关键的还是在讨论中与各种观点里可以形成自己的独立思考.

    • 家园 【原创】哦,中国的印度的,印度的中国的,谁都那么说

      哦,中国的印度的,印度的中国的,谁都那么说

      关于技术引进上上印度和中国有本质的不同,如果顺着以观点找答案的方式思考问题,无论是支持印度的还是反对印度的,我看对认识印度情况并没有帮助.

      我先从印度发展中两个关键性受援技术来说明问题,一个是印度接受美国短杆小麦技术大幅度提高粮食产量,这个在印度被称为完成了印度粮食自给计划的绿色革命.另一个是,核武器计划.印度核武器专家早在核武器理论形成初期就师从西方,在上世纪50年代初期印度就有了自己的核武器装置.但是美国在判断印度核装置爆炸不可避免的情况下,给了当时最先进的第三代核武器的起爆技术.但是就是这个技术使印度走了几十年的弯路,直到1974年才引爆了自己第一枚核武器装置.同样,在冷战期间印度不但可以不受巴统限制吸收西方先进技术的时候,还可以超越冷战界限接受来自苏联的经济军事与技术全面援助.同样,我们可以看见,西方与苏联把可出售先进武器都一股脑的朝印度塞,而给中国的技术却再三加以限制.可是就这样,前不久印度政府总理下属的研究小组还是作出了最近25年来中国科技研究成果是印度25倍的结论.而同样,在建国前三十年里只有前十年接受来自苏联的军事与重工业援助.改革后,又因为巴统的存在与世界知识产权保护的兴起受到种种技术转让限制.(日本在世界各国开始严厉保护知识产权前的60 与70年代用15亿美圆的技术转让费用获得了自行研制需要花费1000亿美圆费用的专利技术)就是这样的局面,中国依旧取得了今天的技术进步,这个对比号称第三世界第一科技人才数量的印度.有着远比日本便利多的多的廉价石油获取条件.(日本经济腾飞的时代享受了6-8美圆/桶石油的价格红利20年,这为日本经济腾飞起到了很有力的促进作用)有着被西方赞许的政治经济法律制度,更有利的是印度在冷战时期在东方和西方都可以畅行无阻.说实话,我看印度没有实现中国的腾飞实际有其更深层的原因.

      在建国的时候,中国与接过放在精致银制餐盘上的整套银餐具的印度不同,新中国这个名词说明了当时中国的实际状态.尤其在经济体系上,中国是以独立造就一个完整的中国工业体系为目的来建设的.所以,想把中国纳入以苏联为核心基础的社会主义经济体系的苏联最终会和中国分道扬镳只在迟早而不是具体的什么事情使然,全为两国基本战略方针所致.而印度,从建国一开始就建立在来自英国的殖民地经济体系的一个重要部分.后来有自动成为,西方经济分工体系的一部分.至今依旧如此.

      所以印度和中国不一样,可以跟随体系里的领头羊慢慢的向前磨蹭,还因此为了保持住这样的体系位置,用民主制度固定了社会各个阶层的利益,还美其名:公平优先发展.所以,印度只需要做的是保持住自己在体系中的位置就可以了,所以印度出现不了赤手空拳打出一片天地的财富英雄,所以印度按部就班.而中国,在打造自己独立体系的同时,需要时刻防止自己的脸跌到了地上.但是中国一旦可以以自己的体系独立行走的时候,以利益分配者的身份出现在这个世界,参与秩序与游戏规则的制定.

      是的,当我们开始再一次经济转型的时候,印度凭借接近发达国家的经济结构与占经济17%的制造业宣誓:印度制造要替代中国制造.当我们开始全面走进信息革命成为世界整体的一个组成的时候,印度心安理的照旧享受从技术到粮食的一切援助.当我们历尽艰辛开始享受游戏红利的时候,印度依旧从容不迫等待中国超越.哦,中国的印度的,印度的中国的,谁都那么说.

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