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家园 犹太人没有国家

这也就是为什么共产主义的祖师爷 马克思,等都比较强调国际主义

这也就是在马列的经典著作都强调,在共产主义社会里,将没有国家这一暴力机构的存在,

但大家想一想就知道,国家没有,但有超国家的机构,如联合国、欧盟之类的 存在。

但我觉得,马克思、列宁作为伟人,看的比一般人不是一般的远。

从他们的书里面,还是很受 被压迫民族和人民,包括当时的中国人,接受和赞同的。

特别是在马列中国化之后(和佛教中国化一样),立马和中国古典哲学,大同世界等思想结合,马上焕发出新的哲学光辉,并进而在中国得到彻底实践。

造就中华文明的伟大复兴!!!

家园 列宁说这个话的时候,他控制不了远东地区。

那会,苏联只能控制欧洲部分(还被波兰切去一大块),远东地区有一个远东共和国。把苏联和日本的势力范围给隔开。

有点像现在中国说把库页岛还给日本一样(当然如果库页岛是在我们控制之下,又是另外一种说法了),说说而已。

家园 犹太人没有祖国,所以有世界主义

这也就是为什么共产主义的祖师爷 马克思,等都比较强调国际主义(世界主义),能从天下考虑社会发展进程。

这也就是在马列的经典著作都强调,在共产主义社会里,将没有国家这一暴力机构的存在,

但大家想一想就知道,国家没有,但有超国家的机构,如联合国、欧盟之类的 存在。

但我觉得,马克思、列宁作为伟人,看的比一般人不是一般的远。

从他们的书里面,还是很受 被压迫民族和人民,包括当时的中国人,接受和赞同的。

特别是在马列中国化之后(和佛教中国化一样),立马和中国古典哲学,大同世界等思想结合,马上焕发出新的哲学光辉,并进而在中国得到彻底实践。

造就中华文明的伟大复兴!!!

家园 好吧,我们一起喊口号吧

喊完口号,请考虑一个问题:为什么犹太人要推销他们的世界主义?他们有何利益在内?无利不起早呀......

至于中共,走的最终还是打土豪分田地那条路线。中共每次执行国产国际决定,就惨不忍睹。每次回到毛泽东思想上来,就进展神速。

其实严格来说,中共是依靠国人压抑已久的民族主义情结掌权的。这和世界主义压根驴头不对马嘴。世界大同掩饰不住对俄国毛子根深蒂固的不信任,两家一起过不到10年就闹翻。

家园 预言得太准了
家园 异议

这些文字,大约是来自“jew watch”这个排犹色彩浓郁的网站。WayneMcGuire自称或者暗示他是哈弗的研究员,好,就算是,又能说明什么呢,不过是一家之言,而且充满了种族色彩。就像希特勒看所有犹太人和斯拉夫人都是垃圾一样。用这个作为“和犹太沾边没好事”的论据,很是不妥。

民族、国家等等,其实就是人类对生存空间和利益的争夺载体。犹太民族由于特殊的历史原因没有自己的国家(以色列是很特殊的被美国支撑起来的,否则难以想象一个几百万人口国家在上亿充满敌意的人口包围下能够存在这么长久),必然在他民族土地生存,必然挤占他民族原住民生存空间,遭人恨也是自然的了。大家都说犹太人吝啬贪财,于是犹太人就吝啬贪财了。这是一个千古笑话,好像其他民族都慷慨大方似的。

家园 不可能的,

如果列宁真的那么天真,怎可革命成功?说说而已罢了。能革命成功的领导人无一不是狡狯、心狠手辣之辈。

异议
家园 犹太人和中国无冤无仇,反而各有帮助

所以我无意在此问题上讲得太多了。

McGuire是一家之言。他说什么你自然可以听也可以不听。丘吉尔的话也无关紧要。

但历史多次证明了,凡收容犹太民族的民族,都会面临内部的急剧异质化(Heterogeneity)。这些民族最终排犹。

排犹主义是不对的,但它发生了太多次,想必有一些原因(一些民族先主动邀请犹太人,后又排斥犹太人,所以不能纯粹以基督教因素解释排犹)。

有时不禁想,犹太人假如没有一点问题,纳粹德国为什么以如此残暴的手段对付犹太人?深仇大恨来自于哪里?基督教?可是纳粹本身也有点排斥基督教呀。为什么斯大林也要这样做?

自然,对于我们这是个学术问题。无关紧要。

家园 知道了,最后一段引自第六章,而英文版只出了前5章
家园 【文摘】赫德原文对应(最后一段没找到)

This episode of to-day is not meaningless — ^it is the prelude to a century of change and the keynote of the future history of the Far East: the China of the year 2000 will be very different from the China of 1900 I National sentiment is a constant factor which must be recognized, and not eliminated, when dealing with national facts, and the one feeing that is universal in China is pride in Chinese institutions and contempt for foreign: treaty intercourse has not altered this — if anything, it has deepened it, and the future will not be uninfluenced by it.

The

Chinese, an intelligent, cultivated race, sober, industrious, and on its own lines civilized homogeneous in language, thought, and feeling, which numbers some four hundred millions, lives in its own ring-fence, and covers a country

made up of fertile land and teeming waters,with infinite variety of mountain and plain, hill and dale, and every kind of climate and condition, producing on its surface aU that a

people requires and hiding in its bosom untold virgin wealth that has never yet been disturbed, — this race, after thousands of years of haughty seclusion and exclusiveness, has been pushed by the force of circumstances and by the

superior strength of assailants into treaty relations with the rest of the world, but regards that as a humiliation, sees no benefit accruing from it, and is looking forward to the day when it in turn will be strong enough to revert to its old life again and do away with foreign intercourse, interference, and intrusion. It has slept long, as we count sleep, but it is awake at last, and its every member is tingling with Chinese feeling — " China for the Chinese and

out with the foreigners!" The Boxer movement is douhtless the product of official inspiration, but it has taken hold of the popular imagination, and will spread like wildfire all

over the length and breadth of the country ; it is, in short, a purely patriotic volunteer movement, and its object is to strengthen China — and for a Chinese programme. Its first experience has not been altogether a success as regards the attainment through strength of proposed ends, the rooting up of foreign cults and the ejection of foreigners ; but it is not a failure in respect of the feeler it put out — will

volunteering work? — or as an experiment that would test ways and means and guide future choice. It has proved how to a man the people will respond to the call, and it has further

demonstrated that the swords and spears to which the prudent official mind confined the initiated will not suffice, but must be supplemented or replaced by Mauser rifles and Erupp

guns. The Boxer patriot of the future will possess the best weapons money can buy, and then the "Yellow Peril" will be beyond ignoring.

The words "imperil the world's future" will doubtless provoke a laugh — well, let them do so, but let them stand ! Twenty millions or more of Boxers armed, drilled, disciplined, and animated by patriotic — if mistaken — motives, will make residence in China impossible for foreigners, will take back from foreigners everything foreigners have taken from China, will pay off old grudges with interest, and will carry the Chinese flag and

Chinese arms into many a place that even fancy will not suggest today, thus preparing for the future upheavals and disasters never even dreamt of. In fifty years' time there will be millions of Boxers in serried ranks and war's

panoply at the call of the Chinese Government : there is not the slightest doubt of that ! And if the Chinese Government continues to exist, it will encourage — and it will be quite

right to encourage — uphold, and develop this national Chinese movement : it bodes no good for the rest of the world, but China will be acting within its right and will carry through the national programme !

家园 【分享】赫德原文在线阅读各种格式下载地址

在线阅读:

http://www.archive.org/stream/thesefromlandsi00hartgoog#page/n12/mode/1up

下载:

http://ia331415.us.archive.org/0/items/thesefromlandsi00hartgoog/

有各种格式的选择。

家园 Uncroiable!简直不敢相信真的有人在百年前说过

这样的话。今天读来,感慨万千啊!!!花赞。

家园 个人觉得

欧盟不能叫超国家,其实是一个大的邦联体制国家。

家园 谢!

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三年以来,在人民解放战争和人民革命中牺牲的人民英雄们永垂不朽!

三十年以来,在人民解放战争和人民革命中牺牲的人民英雄们永垂不朽!

由此上溯到一千八百四十年,从那时起,为了反对内外敌人,争取民族独立和人民自由幸福,在历次斗争中牺牲的人民英雄们永垂不朽!

家园 不至于那么狭窄嘛……

曾继泽也是贵胄子弟啊

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