主题：【原创】看来欧盟要解除对华军售禁令了，猜猜中国可能买哪些 -- 唐鸢

欧洲军购的特点：东西未必好，价格铁定贵。台湾买的幻影2000是典型例子。

真正的好东西也有，包括哪些呢？

1、发动机技术，尤其是大型航发。罗-罗如果肯单卖，买个几百台用于大运，那飞机性能一下子就上去了。假如买410台航发（10台做研究山寨用，以罗-罗的性能，在飞机机体寿命周期内，是不需要备用发动机的，只需做好维护就OK），造100架大运，一次起降就可以运一个轻机械化步兵师（如113师或127师）。3次起降可以运2个机械化步兵师。加上公路、铁路运输和民航运输轻装步兵，2个星期内可以在中印边境集结12-15个师且抵达预定作战地点，不仅火力和持续战斗能力，连兵员都超过印度了。印度还敢动手？

2、数控床的核心技术。中国已经是数控床生产大国，但稍微上点档次的产品，许多核心部件还是欧洲进口的。把这个搞定，中国就不仅是机床大国，还是机床强国。

3、雷达生产工艺。中国已可设计比较先进的雷达，但电子器件成品率和可靠性始终是很大的问题。改进工艺，不仅有助于降低成本，更有利于提高产量和性能。

4、潜艇。德国的潜艇搞2-3条，贵点也划算。

可惜这几条，怎么看都觉得是在YY。很容易又被人忽悠了，白送了几个大项目给别人，然后一点收效都没有。

do not be fooled by Chinese elites.

What they want in the end is a Chinese empire with regional control over Asia, with more living space and better terms in the global order.

"Every single empire, in its offical discourse, has said that it is not like all the others, that its circumstances are special, that it has a mission to enlighten, civilize, bring order and democracy, and it uses forces only as a last resort"--quoted from Edward Said.

China will just be another empire. Do not listen to what it says, look at what it does.

BTW, Greece is hard to rescue(still has not cleaned up its FAKED NATIONAL FINANCE DATA for the last 10 years) and next one to fall is P and then S. America finally got its revenging moment.

If China is smart enough, STEP ASIDE AND DO NOT FEED GREECE. Anyway, a weakened Europe is in China's interests. Remember how those hypocritical Frenchmen humiliated Chinese during the 2008 Olympic torch rally? All Europeans have the same hypocritical attitude towards China. Okay, now it is time for them to clean up their own s*.

30 years later, it will be Islamic continent.

欧洲毕竟是近代文明发祥地--it is a declining continent. Euro will further slow the economic growth in all Euronations since it has lost monetary policy to revitalize their economies.

I agree with you on China's policy in becoming a regional dominant player, only not sure about the term “empire”, which remind people of military invasion, colonization, etc. I think China want more respect and better living standard for its citizens.

As for the matter with Greece, it is complicated. Yes those European bastards and hypocrites humiliated last year and still hold vile thoughts against us. But we can use them as a leverage to play Europeans and Americans against each other, just like we played USSR and US against each other. Not to mention as the original post discussed: if they have something we need why not "rescue" them and get the technology we need? A weak Europe is good for us, but a eventually collapsed Europoe may not be the case.

A side thought is that Greeks, among all Europeans, are generally more friendly to us.

人家两教是堂兄弟，其实信的同一个主，疏不间亲，咱不管人家的事，只要他们不来中国闹。欧洲下降不下降不要紧，只要别沉到海里就行。

对付印第安人和黑人，我可不相信欧洲人会坐以待毙。

希腊太弱小，加入欧盟可以互相帮助，不知道他这几天心情如何。另外，虽然我对法国印象也不好，但是你对法国好像非常讨厌，有没有什么原因？

He must be very excited...

Anyway, Greeks got what they deserved. Greeks are people with the habit of "there are always tomorrows to do today's work". They were too face-conscious and were eager to lock itself into Euroland to ascertain its "europe" identity. They only wanted the lower government bond yield--a free gift from hard-savers such as Germans, but refused to pay the cost.

There is no free lunch. It is time to pay the price. 加入欧盟可以互相帮助--keep in mind, Greece is the origin of western civilization and western democracy. YOU, A CHINESE GUY FROM THE dictatorial communist China, is NEVER OF THEIR pack(deeply in their heart). Greeks never trust anything that's EATERN. So now let's their Western European brothers to rescue them.

Look at UK--Britons are clearly smarter and more rational. The benefit of single currency is way lower than the cost of single currency, both for Greece and Britons. When Germany/France designed single-currency in mind, they only wanted to have 6 countries tied together. PIIGs are never welcome in the Germanic cycle.

虽然我对法国印象也不好，但是你对法国好像非常讨厌，有没有什么原因？

--you are wrong.I am a big fan of French food, wine, cheese, arts, history, painting, buildings, language.

But I am ethnically Chinese and I know where China's interests are. France is like a woman and never understand where is its appropriate status on the global stage. IT IS NEVER A RELIABLE PARTNER, NO A TRUSTWORTHY FRIEND OR A CONSISTENT DEAL MAKER. EU is a tool for France to exert influence way above its national strength. Ever since 1960s when EEC came into existence, America had been alerted at its every movement. You can look at JFK's comments on EEC.

You need to have this British common sense in geopolitics: a divided continent is always better than a unified continent. Friends are not eternal, adversary is not perpetual. It is your national interests that is eternal and perpetual.

现在机械行业已经好一点了。去过30年太浮躁了。

这种小东西的全是技术的攻关和累计。

要补课的，买只能对付一时，不是一世的做法。

中国这种心态，摆明了是准备整个西方这个体系对抗的。当然也是被逼的。

问题是别的文明也被逼呀，只有中国不但想了还要干，而且干的还不错。日本人是想干，也干了，但是干砸了，最后被别人干了。现在想干，也干不成了。印度之类的是根本不想干。伊斯兰是想干，不知道怎么干。

我要是西方人，我也害怕。庆幸呀，投胎成了中国人。

我看这次他们还是唱唱罢了