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主题:1995年的美国病毒大片《恐怖地带》(Outbreak) -- 燕人

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家园 Outbreak看过N遍了,

最喜欢的就是四处找解药的情节了。

家园 就是不知道美国观众们

看过了是否长记性,知道戴口罩,保持安全距离。

还有他们的政府会杀掉他们!

家园 我没看懂你说的悖论在哪里

引用:这就提出了一个悖论,民主制度产生的政府在必要时会牺牲少数人的自由(权利)。

“悖论” 的原意是指逻辑矛盾,这样也不对,反之也不对(比如理发师悖论又称罗素悖论)。现在的引申用法,是但凡字面上有一点矛盾的,也可以笼统地称为悖论,比如 “不要枪杆子就必须拿起枪杆子” (本来是辩证法的范畴)。这个引申用法不大地道,但是约定俗成,我也接受。

但是你说的这句话,我看来看去,没有看出矛盾在哪里,“民主制度产生的政府在必要时会牺牲少数人的自由” ,就好比 “战斗机必要时会抛掉副油箱” 一样,这不是很正常吗? 悖论在哪里?

如果反过来,“民主制度产生的政府在必要时会牺牲多数人的利益”,那还勉强算个悖论吧。

家园 对多数和少数的定义

以你个人看法而定。

所以我以为是悖论而你以为不是。

当然从数学和统计角度你是对的。

家园 多数人的暴政tyranny of majority

这个不是悖论,真要归类,算是民主的不光彩一面,民主的属性之一。当然民主教信徒是不提这个的,美国的国父们担心过,是因为怕大家一高兴就投票抢了他们的财产,也因此搞了修宪的高门槛和复杂的三权分立,一堆红脖子几代人都看不懂的法律条文。当成悖论,说明你对民主有误解。

家园 其实我见到的公众场合戴口罩很久了,

为什么不降反升,尤其加州地区,也许因为不是N95

家园 可是,只有 “多数” 才会形成悖论,少数不会啊

如果说 “多数人选择的政治体制,反过来会损害多数人的利益”,可以算是个悖论。

如果改成 “少数人选择的政治体制,反过来会损害少数人的利益”,那没有矛盾,也没有 “反过来”,除非利益受损的少数人,和作出选择的少数人,是同一拨。你所指出的美国的情况,并不是同一拨啊。

家园 不管贫富,成年人和毛小子对于无伤大雅的理解不同

帅哥坚持沉默是因为犯事几个小子做的只是小恶作剧,无伤大雅,没有严格意义上破坏法律。

电影的几段对话

1

帅哥---[ Sigh ]

There's this guy at school named Harry.

He's this real rich kid. He like... runs the show.

中校---Who else ?

帅哥---There's another guy, George, but George didn't do anything.

George and I saw Harry and his buddies doin' somethin'.

中校---the folks at Baird, they know you and George can identify the guilty parties ?

帅哥 Yeah, they think we can.

中校 George is a friend of yours.

帅哥He's not a friend, but he's all right.

中校You trust him ?

帅哥Yeah, I guess so.

中校He's on scholarship too ?

帅哥No, why ?

中校We got George, we got Harry, we got trouble. They're rich, you're poor. You wanna get rich. You wanna graduate Baird, become a rich big shot like them.

2

中校George Willis, huh ?

帅哥Yeah.

George Willis. That makes his father probably George Willis, Senior.

Charlie, I ask ya, what do you think Big George is gonna feel about Little George...

seeing no evil,

hearing no evil ?

帅哥Well, we're not gonna tell our parents.

We're just gonna keep it between ourselves.

中校Oh, George isn't gonna tell his father about this thing !

Damn decent of him.

Well, I'm gonna tell ya.

When George Willis, Sr., isn't busy as a million-dollar man for Aetna Casualty -- or is it New England Distributor for the Chrysler Corporation ?

He concerns himself with his young son, George Willis, Junior.

帅哥George isn't going to say anything to his father.

中校 Oh, Charlie.

Big George is gonna wind up Little George,

and Little George is gonna sing like a canary.

And if you're hip, kid, you're gonna hop to, too.

You've got this all figured out, don't you ?

It don't take no Young America merit scholarship to figure this one out.

Charlie, you had a little life, so you decided to go to Baird... to put yourself in the market for a big one.

Now, in order to stay in the running, you're gonna have to tell these people

3.

富二代[ Sigh ] I was thinking, Chas.

This asshole, Trask ?

He's making no sense at all.

Somebody's gotta talk to him.

My father's Class of '59.

帅哥Your father ? I thought we were gonna keep our parents outta this.

富二代This guy Trask is outta control, Chas. Outta control !

Somebody's gotta talk to him.

My father's a major fund-raiser, you know.

帅哥No, I didn't.

富二代Just relax.

He'll get us off the hook.

4.

帅哥I-l talked to George last night.

His, ah --His father's a big-deal alumnus at school. He's got a lot of pull.

中校 Really ?

帅哥 Yeah, he's, ah, he's gonna talk to the headmaster.

George thinks he might be able to get us off the hook.

中校"Get us off the hook."

帅哥Yeah, that's --that's what he said.

中校Watch the "us" part.

帅哥和富二代都有点掉以轻心,中校和富一代都觉得此事非同小可。

从情节推断,富一代应该和校长沟通过了,他也只能为自己儿子争取到这一步。

家园 那是肯定的

我记得富一代和校长握手来着。已经达成共识了。校长已经从富二代那里知道捣鬼者。他所需要的是公开的审判和胜利。没想到帅哥竟没有给与他这个机会。

家园 那三个作案者也是毛头小子王思聪式的思维,

他们要是回家和各自的王健林商量一下,估计被拎着耳朵到校长办公室承认一下错误,这事也就过去了。

现在差点搞得----吃不了兜着走(按照情节,穷帅哥揭发的可能性还是很大的)。

家园 看了一下你说的情节

会议主持者手持美国宪法要求与会者考虑公民的权利和政府的权力。这段镜头我可能没有看明白。

会议主持者原话是说,美国宪法上没有说能炸毁两千人的小镇,而是在多处提到人的基本权利不能被剥夺without due process----就是说要走程序。

所以,他要求两点,与会者必须公开表示意见一致,而且要找大量的专家来论证,除此之外别无他法。

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