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家园 核实战果?——河里有没有在美朋友,能否为兄弟解解这个惑?

请河里有条件的朋友帮忙查证一下这篇文章的英文原件及原文,这是兄弟困惑了很久的问题——

乔治·H·克尼恩上校《战术空军活动中的夜间轰炸机》(1954年4月,空军军事学院论文,第24~第25页)

“后来有一个可悲的例子说明了B-26夜间轰炸的实际战果和所报告的战果之间有很大的出入。1953年3月30日,一架B-26先后五次用五百磅的普通炸弹和杀伤弹束轰炸了一个灯火通明的南朝鲜汽车库及其附近公路上的车辆。这架B-26的飞行人员回到基地后,声称炸毁了卡车六辆,并使目标区燃起了熊熊大火。事后的调查证明,只有四个朝鲜人被炸死,有两辆吉普车的轮胎被炸弹碎片刺破。全部战果如此而已。据说执行这次轻炸任务的飞行员在他们那个单位当中一直是最诚实的一个人,但在黑暗之中作战时精神过分紧张的情况下,他也完全不能判定对地面目标的破坏程度。”

这个例子有些地方让兄弟不明白:

一、B-26轰炸了一个“灯火通明的南朝鲜汽车库及其附近公路上的车辆”,没有说明具体地点,所以兄弟无法判明这地方是中朝方控制区还是联合国军控制区(双方在三八线南北各有其控制区)。

二、从“灯火通明”来看,显然不象中朝方控制区(有防空哨等等措施,夜间肯定严格实行灯火管制),难道是远东空军自己炸自己?是故意的,还是无意的?如要是前者,兄弟有点难以置信,而且不明白目的是什么?仅仅检验一下这个飞行员是否说谎?如果是后者,可能性有多大?这个飞行员恐怕就不仅仅是“谎报战果”的事儿了吧?

三、如果轰炸的目标是中朝方控制区内,如何“事后调查”?派特务或特种部队实地核实?也就是说这是一次原本就有目的的行动?目的就是检证战果?这代价,是不是大了点?

兄弟还是不太明白?

所以兄弟胡思乱想一阵,没敢把这事儿写进《开》书,万一是翻译出错哩?——上文转自1963年6月空军党委条令教材编审小组办公室所译《朝鲜战争中的美国空军》(参考资料第311号)第二册第558页附注栏。

河里哪位朋友有条件,能帮忙解解这个谜?


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家园 这显然是误炸,但是歪打正着验证了对地攻击的战果可靠性
家园 应该是吧,都说了炸的是“南朝鲜”的汽车库

在“南/北”朝鲜这个概念上老美还是有数的,一般不会弄混,他们要说炸的是“南朝鲜”那基本上就不会是北朝鲜/志愿军...

这个肯定是误炸...

轰炸机对于地面损失效果评估之可靠性可见一斑... 要把远东空军在朝鲜的所有战果加巴加巴算一块,中朝人员损失肯定过亿了...

家园 这论文的作者,题目和期刊的英文是什么啊
家园 汉译英吧。
家园 差之毫厘,失之千里啊

作者,我google,感觉最可能是Col George. H. Kneen

至于题目,对于军事术语的翻译就没有感觉了,至于那个期刊,还没找到

家园 一点搜索结果

空军军事学院论文
应该是:Air Force Academy Journal。依此找到下面这个期刊:

U.S. Air Force Academy Journal of Professional Military Ethics

类似的期刊还有:

U.S. Army Aviation Digest

Air Defense Artillery

Air Force Comptroller

Air Force Journal of Logistics

Air Force Law Review

Air Force Material Command Leading Edge

1954年的文章,国会图书馆?

家园 大概是这个期刊吧

D 305.11: United States Air Force Academy Assembly, Proceedings

54年的paper的确不好搞,唯一有希望的就是看看能不能馆际互借了,可能可以借影印件。没有具体的reference太难操作了

家园 不知道这篇文章里面谈及的内容对这方面有没有提及

Observations on Close Air Support in Korea - by W. L. Archer, June 1951

http://www.kimsoft.com/2002/oro-kwcas.pdf

我大致看了一下,里面提及了地面人员对空袭效果的观察,这是否能算事后的调查

家园 多谢,花谢!

收了,也许有参照价值。

家园 Looks like this guy

George H. Krieger

Brigadier General George H. Krieger assumed duties as deputy chief of staff, comptroller, Air Training Command, in August 1964. His office is at Headquarters, ATC, Randolph Air Force Base, Texas.

His previous assignment was as comptroller, Headquarters Pacific Air Forces, Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii.

General Krieger was born in Salamanca, N.Y., in 1911. He received his commission through Army ROTC following graduation from Cornell University in May 1933 with a major in economics.

He attended Cornell Law School from 1933 to 1936, and graduated with a bachelor of laws degree in 1936. He served as freshman soccer coach at Cornell during this period. General Krieger was admitted to the practice of law in New York State in 1936 and was employed in legal offices there from 1936 to 1940.

Since being called to active duty in October 1940, General Krieger has been assigned to the widely separated areas of New Jersey, New York, Philippines, Illinois, Newfoundland, Hawaii and the Pentagon.

The general is now serving as deputy chief of staff, comptroller, ATC, for the second time. During 1955-60, he held that position at Scott Air Force Base, Ill., a former location of Headquarters ATC, and at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas.

His other former assignments include executive to the deputy chief of staff, comptroller, Headquarters U.S. Air Force; director of data systems and statistics, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, and assistant for data automation, Comptroller of the Air Force, Headquarters U.S. Air Force.

As comptroller, General Krieger is the principal financial management adviser to the ATC Commander. He is responsible for all budgets, fund administration, accounting, disbursing, statistical reporting and related analyses within the command.

He is also responsible for staff and technical supervision of all subordinate comptroller functions throughout the command, involving about 2,500 military and civilian personnel.

General Krieger is a member of the New York State Bar; the Cornell Law Association, Armed Forces Management Association, the Episcopal Church; Masonic Lodge; and Army-Navy Country Club, Washington, D.C.

But I can not find the book


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家园 你牛!怎么翻出来的?
家园 这家伙的姓离克尼恩可有点远啊,似乎身份也偏高
家园 花谢一下,至少是有价值的!
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