主题：【文摘】法国的太子党 -- 我爱莫扎特
家园 sorry,itwasjust a silly joke i don't know what is 资产阶级唯心主 either.
BTW, an aristcratic class in China has already formed, you liked it or not.at first,we have rich people,powerful families,but i don't think we have an aristcratic class.1.most of the rich people comes from peasant class and remain the old social conscious and hobbies.yes,they are rich,but none of them think they are kind of aristcratic.in my town,one businessman spent one million yuan to hold a dinner party to celebrate his mother's 70 years' age.the boss of my cousin who owns some factory and land in fuzhou,sponsored my cousin about 120thousand yuan to purchase an apartment,for the sake of my cousin's seventeen years' hard and devoted work.most of them are fond of casino.all of them deal their business and problems by all kinds of bribe.not only in china,they behaved all the same wherever they stay. they never fight for anything and have no claims for social issues.all they want is money.they are just rich peasants but got different job.2.the powerful families which control the government positions and national wealth.if these guys are interested with money or women,it would be lucky for us.just let them be.if they are ambitious for political power,it maybe nothing bad, or maybe a disaster.but no doubt,they are all totally corrupted and maybe became idiot because of easy life.3.anyway,by now,we don't have a stable aristcratic class.there's no aristcratic class which would fight for the country and enjoy the first bullet.and for the goddamned one child policy,nobody would like to let their children be killed for anything.
家园 虎年的老虎通宝：作者意外获得【通宝】一枚 家园 英国其实挺走运的 说衰落就衰落，以至于没有时间陷入腐烂的泥沼中，之前的帝国比如罗马或者中国皇朝大多数都要经历一个相当漫长的腐烂过程。不过整个欧洲都烂掉了，英国恐怕不能幸免，贵族有没有活力并不是主要的，主要的要看人民有没有活力——由于很少接触真正的英国人，所以无法有客观的看法，虎兄不妨说说英国普通人的生活罢？只要他们继续保持着英国人特有的粗制的饮食、白人中不算高不算瘦的身材、倔强的脾气，那么他们还是有活力的，其他的，比如知识素养倒是无所谓了，能够学习的都无所谓，唯独民族特性很难学习。
家园 赞虎大好文，谢宝 虎大的帖就是说得明白，赞。
家园 一点不同意见，现在英国已经没有足够的工业力量来匹配他们的 勇气。当英国仿效荷兰走上食利者之路的时候，它的衰落已经不可避免。在现代工业社会，一国真正的勇气主要体现在能否持续不断的推进自己的工业技术能力而不是其他，譬如金融能力。虽然金融来钱很快，但当重视金融超过工业时，往往是衰落的开始。我知道这么说您可能不开心。但是目前中国在这方面确实趋势不太好。
家园 老虎的意思是说文化带来的力量 家园 我个人觉得老虎对英国太看好了。 在欧洲各国中，我看好德国而不是英国。在现在的年代里，血勇之气是不能让一个民族笑到最后的。虽然德国军队的精神现在被阉割的利害，但是工业的力量远比战场上的血勇之气更可靠。
家园 BTW, Britons and Germans shared the same ancestors. That's why the former is called Anglo-Saxons and the latter has two provinces called Lower Saxon and Upper Saxon.
尚武精神 is the in the blood of their nationals. From elites to the bottom people.
家园 中国缺乏尚武精神，至少现在如此，再等20年没准 会有所转变。
家园 you underestimate Britons Britons still won WWII not through industrial power, but through smart international alliance. Do not forget Australia/New Zealand/Canada (non-French speaking)/British commonwealth components.
Rome was defeated by Hannibal repeatedly, but his ally did not give up their bondage with Rome and Carthage lost in the end. In terms of financial strength Carthage actually won out due to its trading capability.
BTW, war between two nations are a competition of 精英 of two nations. In 1860s, Frenchmen/Britons travelled around the world and defeated Qing dynasty armies in front of its own capital, Beijing. A giant nation controlled by a bunch of womanizer 精英 is no match even to a small army that crossed 2 oceans away.
家园 创造历史的是人 家园 狼兄对 1871-1914的德国工业/经济史熟悉不 我现在对这一段历史有点感兴趣，不过在国外，找不到很多资料(很羞愧的承认，个人英语阅读能力还达不到大量快速阅读英文历史著作的能力)
家园 曾经读过一些东西，不过现在基本忘光了。 
现在我找资料基本靠百度和Google两尊大神。所以我很遗憾帮不上你什么忙。