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          • 家园 关于波斯征服喀什

            那时候中原正经历汉末三国到西晋的乱世,按照后汉书等的记载,汉军最后一次出现在疏勒也就是现在的喀什,应该在灵帝建宁三年(公元170年),当时疏勒王对汉朝不太感冒,凉州刺史孟陀于是派任涉率西域各国三万人马围攻疏勒的桢中城,但四十多天也拿不下来,汉军最后不得不撤围而去。

            此后因羌乱以及黄巾造反,汉朝由西域全面撤军,然后就是动荡的几百年乱世,即使西晋短暂统一期间,中原王朝的势力也只限于凉州,而当时西域另一个巨头贵霜帝国也日薄西山,南疆地区事实上没有强大的政权。

            按照零星的历史记载,东晋太宁元年(公元323年)前后,疏勒被龟兹兼并,疏勒王被降格改称为“贵人”,成了一个傀儡。龟兹王又派遣将领对疏勒国实行“监护”,这种局面维持了几乎一个世纪,直至公元420年左右,龟兹受到吐谷浑的侵袭,疏勒“贵人”才乘机起兵杀死龟兹派遣的监军,重新恢复了原有地位。

            公元480年至公元563年间,疏勒据说又被厌哒或称白匈奴人占领,公元567年前后,西突厥汗国驱逐厌哒,对疏勒派“吐屯一人监统之,督其征赋”。

            中原王朝的军队再一次进驻喀什,应该在唐贞观二十年(公元646年)或贞观二十二年(公元648年),唐军占领龟兹也就是新疆库车后,开始在安西四镇驻军,疏勒是四镇之一。

            期间这四五百年的历史,南疆地区基本处于中原势力的盲区,而从历史来看,疏勒地处丝绸之路要冲,单靠自身力量肯定很难保护自己,不得不在各种强大势力之间摇摆,因此它被新崛起的波斯占领过一段时间是有可能的,最有可能的时间无疑是在公元323年它被龟兹占领前那一段混乱的日子,因为此后疏勒的历史又逐渐清晰起来。

            但由于史料过于零散,此事究竟发生与否早已不得而知。

            不过,疏勒被唐军收复前是西突厥汗国的势力范围,西突厥的统叶护可汗曾多次发动针对萨珊波斯的战争,据说战果颇为可观,可汗还曾与其盟友东罗马帝国皇帝在第比利斯城下会盟,不知道王子后面会不会写这些呢?

            • 家园 波斯典籍-注意不是史书,对萨珊与突厥关系的记述不同

              关于萨、突关系,不得不提到篡位者巴赫兰楚宾,《王书》说他远征并大破突厥,赢得辉煌胜利,是为他后来篡位的基础。不过这些记载与中国史书的相应记载对不上号,更像杨家将之类的传奇或民间传说。目前我行文,距离突厥出现还早着呢,所以还没考虑突厥萨珊关系,不过到了写到的那一天,究竟使用波斯典籍,还是其他史书,尚无法确定。

              • 家园 奉送萨珊波斯壁纸一张助兴

                萨珊波斯王狩猎图案鎏金银盘,拍摄于柏林Pergamon博物馆,那里真是两河及西亚文明的文物宝库啊。

                这大概是萨珊波斯最典型的形象了,出土于我国西北的粟特人墓葬中也有类似图案,据说狩猎野猪是最体现男人勇气的活动。

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                外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

          • 家园 我还是怀疑这个Kash是指卡尚而不是喀什

            不过卡尚按理是在太祖时期就臣服了。但是喀什又不可能,难道卡尚在太宗时期像泰西封那种自治市一样 造过反?

            没留下名字的嚈哒可汗当场阵亡

            在塔巴里史里有这个可汗的名字,貌似叫Madzel,我还得确认下

            另外抓虫

            一支是中亚和呼罗珊最重要的城市之一,它最早出现于中国典籍,是在《后汉书 西域传》安息国词条中:【安息国……其东界木鹿城,号为小安息,去洛阳二万里】。萨珊帝国建立后,木鹿是帝国东疆重镇,曾有藩王坐镇于此,此时成了嚈哒的牙帐所在。

            一直是

            奉图一张,现代的巴五雕像,诡异的是居然在阿塞拜疆。

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            外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

            巴五斩怪像,位于阿塞拜疆首都巴库市中心的Azneft广场上。

            话说那里能下没毒没木马的中世纪全战呢?要是有中文版就最好了,每次看完殿下的文章之后我都想玩

            • 家园 欢迎兄台查实嚈哒可汗的名字

              巴五的塑像出现于巴库很正常,因为《七美图》的作者纳兹米是阿塞拜疆人,阿塞拜疆实在没啥名人,也就纳兹米能拿出手,可他的诗歌主题却都来自伊朗,没宣称巴五是阿塞拜疆人已经很给波斯人留面子了。

              我听说乌兹别克宣称祆教经典《阿维斯陀》是乌兹别克的文化遗产,为此举办了盛大的纪念活动,把伊朗和塔吉克气得要死。

              你说的卡尚,我没听说过,能否给个提示?

              • 家园 卡尚就是Kashan,另外塔巴里史里面那嚈哒可汗找到了

                亚尔斯兰战记里面的卡歇城

                卡尚:卡尚是伊朗伊斯法罕省(Isfahan)的一座城市。是伊朗考古学的圣地。阿契美尼德王朝的标志性建筑遗址扎古拉特金字形神塔(Ziggurat)就在这个城市附近。除此之外,该城附近还有美丽且历史悠久的菲因花园(Fin Garden)和著名的特培西亚克古遗址(Tepe Sialk)。卡尚据称是伊朗民族最早的起源之地。同时因气候宜人,历代伊朗王朝都将这里作为夏宫。故遗下极多历史遗迹,成为伊朗历史学者和考古学者必到之所。

                《七美图》的作者纳兹米是阿塞拜疆人

                话说阿塞拜疆人起源于什么呢?阿兰人?还是洛雷人?还是吉兰人?

                我听说乌兹别克宣称祆教经典《阿维斯陀》是乌兹别克的文化遗产,为此举办了盛大的纪念活动,把伊朗和塔吉克气得要死。

                大爆料呀,没想到伊朗也和中国一样,饱受跳梁丑国之无耻窃夺。世界之古文明,自美国成立以来,屡受奇耻大辱,诚悲夫

                找到了,塔巴里史第五卷里面记载的嚈哒可汗的名字叫卡钳 —— Khaqan,他率领25万Turk入侵,被巴五擒杀。

                突然想起一个问题,巴六又叫出殡(楚宾 Baharam VI Chubin),这个楚宾是名字,还是类似巴五的古尔一样的外号?

                • 家园 怀疑 Khaqan 是可汗

                  在欧洲语言中,可汗有多种拼法,常见的是 Chagan,阿瓦尔和基辅罗斯君主都用过这个称号,虽然我不明白罗斯人为啥也用。

                  楚宾(Chubin)是绰号,来自《王书》,意为【像一根标枪】(Javelin-like),因为他又高又瘦。

                  • 家园 塔巴里史里面关于巴五和嚈哒之战的内容,另有剧透

                    巴五大战卡钳

                    The first ruler to set himself up as a rival to Bahram in power was Khaqan, the king of the Turks, who attacked baharam with a army of 250 000 turks. News of Khaqan’s approaching their land with a powerful force reached the Persians. It appeared to them a catastrophe and terrified them. A group of the Persian great men of state, known for their firm judgment and their solicitude for the masses of the people, went into Bahram’s presence and told him “O king, there has suddenly come upon you the calamitous appearance of the enemy, and this should be enough to rouse you from the pleasure and merrymaking in which you are sunk. So get ready to tackle it, least we become afflicted by something which will entail revilement and shame for you.” Bahram merely replied, “God, our lord, is powerful, and we are under his protection,” and he only increased in his exclusive pursuit of pleasure and merry-making. But then he fitted out an expedition and proceed to Azerbaijan. In order to worship at the fire temple there, then to Armenia to seek game for hunting in its thickets and to enjoy himself on the way. He was accompanied by a group of seven of the great men of state and the nobles plus three hundred mighty and courageous men from his personal guard. He left one of his brothers, called Narsi, to act as his governor over the kingdom.

                    When the people heard about Bahram’s expedition and his appointment of his brother as his deputy to govern the kingdom, they felt sure that this was an act of flight from his enemy and an act of abandonment of his kingdom. They took counsel together and resolved to send an embassy to Khaqan and to undertake that they would pay him tribute, out of fear that he would invade their land and would annihilated their own troops unless they showed themselves submissive to him by handing the money over. Khaqan heard about what the Persians had agreed uopm, that hey would submit and show themselves submissive to him, so he gave a guarantee of security for their land and ordered his army to hold back. Bahram, however, had sent forward a spy to bring back to him information about Khaqan; the spy now returned and told him about Khaqan’s doings and intentions. So Bahram marched against him with the force accompanying him and fell on him by night, killing Khaqan with his own hand and spreading slaughter among Khaqan’s troops. those who escaped being killed were put to flight and showed their backs. They left behind their encampment, their wives and children and their baggage. Bahram exerted himself assiduously in hunting them down, killing them, gathering up the plunder he had seized from them and enslaving their women and children, and returned with his own army intact.

                    一代牛人野驴之死,比起他的功业,死法太丢人了,崩于游猎,曰何也?

                    Toward the end of his life, Bahram went to Mah for hunting there. One day he rode out to the chase, fastened tenaciously onto a wild ass and pursued it closely. But he fell into a pit and sank into the mud at the bottom. When his mother heard of that accident, she hurried along to that pit, and ordered that the money should be paid out to whoever might rescue Bahram from the hole. They excavated a vast amount of earth and mud from the pit, until they had made a number of large mounds from this; but they were never able to find Bahram’s corpse.

                    顺便问下,伊二和法一什么时候上场?

                  • 家园 楚宾是安息王族吧,他真正的姓氏什么?

                    老外和中国姓名文化差异特大,不但不讲避讳,而且常常家族惯用几个名字,所以重名者极多,结果都用外号来称呼,什么蓝牙哈罗德,红发埃里克,胖查理,帅哥菲利普之类的,象楚宾应该译成竹竿巴赫兰,更有韵味

                  • 家园 嗯,好像还有一个词也用的比较多

                    Hakan

    • 家园 天涯的大象

      是吗?

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