主题：【原创】“中国崩溃论”屡屡崩溃的根本原因 -- 比的原理
家园 苹果纳税6%很不错了 中国的私企纳税更低，全国民企500强的平均纳税额只有4%点多。
关于国家把农民土地卖掉的事情，不是毫无顾忌，至少我们江苏老家的农民，整天盼望国家能把他们的土地征走。真正黑暗的，其实是腐败，只要腐败控制在一定的范围，农民是得益的。
政府赚钱？ 确实如此，但为什么政府的地能卖高价呢？因为政府必须投入海量资金去做基础设施的规划。这其实也是一种经营，只要经营得好，是谁做的， 有那么重要？政府就是这么十恶不赦？ 我去看香港的城市规划，逼仄，零碎，去看美国的城市规划，呵呵， 几乎没有规划，基建之间的协调作用几乎没有。
家园 苹果纳税确实还不错 GE销售收入1460亿美金，毛利润660亿美金，纯收入130亿美金，纳税多少呢？6亿美金。
美国身上的吸血鬼呀。
关于出卖土地的问题，法制好的地方价格还算是公道，法制差的地方就不好说了。这个放在一边。我的意思是，这里存在着“机会”的问题，政府实际上是多赚了“权利创造机会”的钱。
政府如果采用老城区改造，政府部门不搬家，事业单位也不动。那么老城区房价就可以暴涨。反过来，政府如果开辟新城区，农民耕地比老城区住宅便宜，政府就挣得更多。
因为中国是权力控制经济，大家都盯着政府，大多数企业总部都会跟着政府走，方便公关。所以新城区房价就暴涨，老城区就被甩在后面了。
这种通过权力赚的钱，比起跟农民抢点拆迁费比起来，谁是九牛一毛，一目了然。
家园 这个实际上面是历史发展的必然 新中国所构建的上层建筑是超越其经济基础，生产关系领先于生产力的结果就是实际经济生活中产生各种碰撞，不过中国人民足够伟大，硬是把这套体系运行起来，并且在运行的过程中不断使两者相适应，具体的表现就是生产力不断上升，生产关系不断倒退。
这种生产关系的倒退是大家对TG不满的主因，可是这实际上面是适应生产力的过程，是历史发展的必然。不过这有一个临界点，那就是生产力的发展已经跟生产关系相适应，生产关系的倒退将失去动力，而且随着生产力的发展，要求生产关系随之进步而不是如同过去一般倒退。
我认为这个临界点十分接近甚至可能已经到来，可是任何事物都不可能一帆风顺，过去的生产关系倒退有其自身的惯性，那就是从中获利的利益集团，现在主要的矛盾在于发展起来的生产力要求的生产关系进步与利益集团为了自身利益要求的生产关系倒退之间的矛盾。
通宝推：金口玉言,家园 这个写的好 中国干什么产业，世界上对应的什么产品就掉价，一旦中国挖掉社会主义的根，搞资本主义， 资本主义就要灭亡！！！
家园 可能有一个逻辑困境：不卖现在就危机，卖了还能拖延一下。 “中国模式的终点就是没有国有资源可以出卖了”应该说过去的中国模式好像的确如此。
按照这个逻辑的话，必须有东西卖才能持续下去。所以你对混改的抵触可能有点非理性。因为如果不混改的话，现在就没有东西卖了，现在就要爆发危机了，几十年和平时光现在就会到尽头。
如果混改一下，拖一下时间，在这个时间里转换发展模式，如果转型成功，那么和平时光还是可以继续下去的。如果转型失败就算发生危机，至少也拖了一段时间，多过几天和平时光也不算亏。
比较两条路，显然后一条路还有一线生机。
家园 这个逻辑困境不存在 中国模式的核心是卖国有资产，筹集资金再投资。表面看是资产卖完了就结束了。 这里面忽略了投资的效率。假如管理良好，投资的钱在几年后变成了优质资产，又回收了资金，这就构成了一个正循环，前几年的高铁，超高压输变电， LCD屏等就是这个例子，钱反而越投越多。如此往复，直到可供投资的领域变小， 无法承载海量投资资金。但这样的进程估计要在中国城市化进程完成后才会出现，起码还有20年。
当然存在另一种可能，就是投资效率极低，贪腐横行，导致投资的收益太低甚至为负数，正循环中断。这一点我并不担心，因为中国的整体腐败不比美国更严重， 而且习王反腐恰好命中靶心。
可是，低价私分式的混改，注意低价两个字，是中国模式的大敌。价值155亿的股票和控股权，一般而言起码价值200亿，结果50多亿就易手了，正循环被切断。没有钱来投资了，中国模式自动终结。
而且附带一个问题就是，混改让国资失去控股权后，任何产业政策政府都无法直接推动，必须依靠税收杠杆去驱动企业投资，任何减税补贴都和定向利益输送相挂钩，政府必须有绝对充分的说服力和意志力才能行动，否则和贪腐分不清，而实际运作中有绝对把握的投资有多少比例呢？最终效果就是政府的行政能力大幅下降， 毕竟大多数公务员多一事不如少一事。
小强提的政府以后不再兴办企业了，等于给中国模式砍掉一只手，搞低价掠夺式混改砍掉了另一只手。
以后几年，你会在媒体上越来越多地看到，为什么中国的GDP发展速度越来越低，为什么低一点好的马屁文章。
通宝推：海峰,家园 现在就已经很多了 re: 以后几年，你会在媒体上越来越多地看到，为什么中国的GDP发展速度越来越低，为什么低一点好的马屁文章。
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不用几年以后，现在这种文章就已经很多了。
家园 混合所有制的方向是正确的 关键在于，国企要混合所有制，私企要不要混合所有制，外企要不要混合所有制，地方政府要不要混合所有制。
中国的地方政府，实质上就如企业经营，因此，地方政府的混合所有制，尽管与企业的混合所有制不同，但性质上是相同的。
混合所有制的根本，在于统一又制衡。
九十年代后期，俺们这里的乡镇企业陷入了萧条，很多的确是竞争力不行，但公有制的也是很重要的原因，高价进原材料，低价卖产品，然后拿回扣和提成，再好的企业，也经不起这样折腾，最后，还是将这些乡镇企业，半卖半送，甚至赔钱赠送给了企业的领导层。
一个石墨制品厂，原来能不赢不亏就算不错了，成了私企，第一年的利润就几百万，因此，朱镕基搞的“抓大放小”是正确的，尽管十分不公平，但也是没有办法。
乡镇企业如此，大型国企更是如此，因为，大型国企能够大量贷款，因此，不但企业本身难逃管理层的蚕食鲸吞，而且将国有银行也拖下了水。
毛为啥要搞“阶级斗争”，苏联和东欧为啥要搞特务统治，就是因为公有制国家，不采用政治恐惧高压，根本就难以维系，更不要说什么发展。
外国有个加拿大，中国有个大家拿，是公有制的典型写照，在完全公有制的体制下，除了政治高压，根本就没有其他办法，要么是群众运动的阶级斗争，要么是中央集权的特务统治。
中国改开的成功，根本原因有两个，一是世界产业的大转移，二是中国财富的大转移，前者造就了生产，造就了出口，出口又促进了生产；后者造就了消费，消费又促进了生产。
中国经济陷入低速，主要的原因在于，世界产业大转移难以继续扩大，西方在失业的压力下，会减缓产业转移。而财富转移原本有利于财富创造，今后却越来越有害于财富创造，因为先富起来的人，不是更多地消费国产货，而是消费更多的合资和进口产品，不能促进中国的产业升级，反而压制中国的产业升级。
现在，除了垄断行业，国企已经很少了，因此，国企的混合所有制改革，根本就不是大问题，根本的问题在于地方政府的统一又制衡的改革。
现在，地方政府既不统一，又不制衡，地方财政完全黑箱子操作，到底欠了银行多少钱，担负了多少抵押，根本就没人清楚，这才是中国经济和金融的最大问题。
治标的方法，就是禁止政府向银行借贷和担保，政府要募集资金，只能通过公开的债券市场，通过公开债务明细，从债券市场募集资金，现在来看，这是不可能的，因为，这样做必然会引爆地方的债务危机。
治本的方法，就是中央，省，地方三级共管地方，政治上方面，实现上中下的制衡统一，经济方面，实现公私外的制衡均衡，这应该是中国政治改革的方向，但也很难实现。
陈兄大概不了解国企和地方政府的运作，据俺的了解，除了极少数的例外，大多数国企和地方政府，都是触目惊心，丧心病狂的，没有不要脸，只有更不要脸。
仔细一想就明白，华为这样的私企，现在反腐都揪出了一百多人，而国企，事业单位，地方政府，领导人经常换，又权责不明，不是自己的钱，谁会像华为的老板那样得罪人。
亏了是国家的，好处是自己的，完全私有制，是不可能的，因为，公有制的最大好处是政治性的，但现在的公有制，继续维系下去，不过是特权阶层的堡垒，越来越是压榨人民的吸血鬼，因此必须改革，而改革的方向，只能是混合所有制，实现权力制衡又利益统一。
现在，不多的国企，问题还不是最严重的，中国最大的经济金融风险，在于地方政府，但相对于国企，更难操作，因此，现在的国企混改，也是捡软柿子捏。
通宝推：怪味可乐,棋人鲁大耍,泉源,muqi,家园 不客气地讲，坐井观天了。 毛为啥要搞“阶级斗争”，苏联和东欧为啥要搞特务统治，就是因为公有制国家，不采用政治恐惧高压，根本就难以维系，更不要说什么发展。外国有个加拿大，中国有个大家拿，是公有制的典型写照，在完全公有制的体制下，除了政治高压，根本就没有其他办法，要么是群众运动的阶级斗争，要么是中央集权的特务统治。
地球上有几个国家没有特务机构的？把特别统治当成政治高压的标志很滑稽，苏联只是以一个较落后的国家在意识形态上孤立单挑多个先进工业国，安全原因才形成一段时间的严格控制，这个所有的政权都是一样的，有重大安全危机时不严格控制是自取灭亡。
“完全公有制的体制下，除了政治高压，根本就没有其他办法”，这是坐井观天的胡扯，不客气地讲，超出了你的认识范围以外的事情，并不等于没有办法，再说白点，你想不到办法不等于没有办法。
列宁重视的巴甫洛夫条件反射实验的心理学原理是最强大的激励机制，经过波尔加实验证明了，外链出处 这是波尔加实验的资料，只是个体，国际象棋一个专业的牛刀小试而已。这个实验的心理学运用领域，根本是不限专业的。国际象棋可以，其他学科领域也可以，家庭教育可以，社会教育也可以。教育领域可以，生产和其他领域也可以。三姐妹可以这样，那三十，三百，三万，绝大部分人乃至所有人都可以这样，可以在短期内（十年以下）修炼成各个学科领域的一流乃至顶尖人才。
苏联战前科技人才爆发般的增长，固然和计划经济的所谓举国体制，和斯大林特别重视“技术决定一切，技术干部决定一切”指导思想下一半乃至三分之二资金投入这方面有关系，但是和列宁重视的这个和波尔加实验心理学原理一样的巴甫洛夫条件反射实验心理学原理在社会教育和生产及其他领域的应用是分不开的。
公有制和公有制还不一样，苏联是标准的把所有企业纳入中央计划的计划经济，中国是国省市县乡层层分封割据的官营指令经济，结构和运作方式完全一样。
就是群众运动和群众运动也有不一样，苏联斯达汉诺夫运动的心理学原理其实也是这个巴甫洛夫条件反射实验和波尔加实验。中国的各类运动的心理根源其实也一样，只是起了相反的作用，变成了吹牛破坏比赛了。
二战结束后，特别是斯大林死后，这个计划经济下强大的内在激励机制没有注意保护而消失，失去了内在激励机制，这也是苏联计划经济在二战后江河日下的原因之一。
计划经济作为和市场经济完全不同的一种更加先进的经济运作模式，配套的激励机制，还有政治教育等其他社会制度肯定也是要有和与市场经济完全不同更高端的模式，用市场经济的激励机制和配套制度运作计划经济，那肯定不行，卡车司机开飞机，迟早摔下来。
家园 本質上:私有制, 市場化, "正常化" 1.
"亏了是国家的，好处是自己的，完全私有制，是不可能的，因为，公有制的最大好处是政治性的，但现在的公有制，继续维系下去，不过是特权阶层的堡垒，越来越是压榨人民的吸血鬼，因此必须改革，而改革的方向，只能是混合所有制，实现权力制衡又利益统一"
it is not so much about "压榨人民", it is more about Chinese TG 官办经济 building up infrastructure all over the china such as high way and rail system, only to "消费更多的合资和进口产品，不能促进中国的产业升级，反而压制中国的产业升级", 为人作嫁, benefiting US sp500 the most;
It looks like X (L is a running dog in a way, X is the big boss) actually or possibly understand this, he possibly wants to have 私有制, 市場化, 正常化, with that, 促进中国的产业升级, before 2030 "中国模式的终点";
with 私有制, 市場化, 正常化 and china gdp growth rate of >6%, 全世界资本家 will all come to china to kiss the ass of TG;
but without white's 宪政, legal system, intellectual rights protection, it will be more of foreign 资本家's game than mainland native Chinese 资本家, in terms of playing and benefitting from TGchina's 产业升级.
"毛林共识"= a curse to Chinese native 资本家.
混合所有制 is a start, eventually, china has to normalize/正常化 with US model, normalize with a US mananged global heatbath as said before, and if that happens, TPP=BS, nobody would care about TPP, china as the world number one 載體 economy would be unmatched by any kind of TPP;
"私有制, 市場化, 正常化"="毛林共识"的终点, eventually;
and TG has to figure out how to respect and pay for IP of us sp500, etc, and most importantly how to live a life without "毛林共识".
X's top economic brains: 刘鹤、陈锡文、林毅夫、刘世锦、李扬、蔡昉 etc;
林毅夫=copy cat, "后发" economics;
刘鹤, 刘世锦=basically "私有制, 市場化, 正常化" as the TG's next game plan to 促进中国的产业升级;
X's dilemma: how to do all these under "毛林共识" politically? then what about Uncle Sam's 顏色革命?
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the way TG has been playing the game: 声东击西 or learning by doing, therefore you never really know what is the ALGO of TG's top elite, TG is full of "head fake" tricks, 摸石头过河, but who gets the 石头/money first? of course TG's elite, they know what is the latest version of ALGO of TG top, then front running it.
kind of why global human brain power can never really come and find a home in china: you can never play a "公平" game as long as TG is the ruling elite of china;
fundamentally, without the help of global human brain power, tgchina's 产业升级 is very difficult, then "copy cat", "后发" economics forever, then you can never charge premium, you always do yard sale, with little profit if any.
私有制, 市場化, 正常化=去TG化, fundamentally.
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but Chinese people (majority of them?) as a whole hates "私有制, 市場化, 正常化", for people like "陈王奋起挥黄钺/hullo" " (generally referencing, no "personal meaning" of whatsoever, and I actually like their writings), they think MAO algo could develop TGchina well, and possibly helping humanity finding a new system beyond capitalism.
as I said before, the fundamental logic problem of MAO aglo is its 为人民服务 core: it is a religion, (yes, a model of historical setting for china like before Deng'time), it is not a modern social system model/prototype at all.
kind of why TG gives up on Maoism: it is not so much about the benefit of 特权阶层, TG knows china has to go 私有制, 市場化, "正常化" some how, with a Chinese style, there is no alternative, almost.
but you can not change the mindset/values of Chinese people: what to do? 打左灯, 向右拐 kind of, with all kinds of ideology confusion and BS all over Chinese media.
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US game plan
economically, TG is basically trapped in US "私有制, 市場化, 正常化" operating system: if you don't run Uncle Sam's OS, you will be running out of money;
if you run US economic OS, then you will be pushed to run US political OS eventually as well, then with demise of "毛林共识", china may run into some kind of political confusion, if not a crisis.
Chinese nation has been managed under a central dictatorship for 5k years, 惯性 of huge scale;
if you break that 惯性, most likely you have risk of some kind of 加速度 turbulence.
or some kind of 顏色革命, which may be "better", at least "peaceful";
"毛林共识"=Chinese political and social culture "gene", almost for 5k years;
to change that "gene" at national level=相对论性 operation, kind of like 核聚变, 核裂变
in that sense, even 打左灯, 向右拐 is very challenging, folks like "陈王奋起挥黄钺/hullo" 不买账, so X's job is to get a political cover for L's 向右拐, so "陈王奋起挥黄钺/hullo" folks will 听指挥 and work under TG top.
of course, as always, TG top may have been confused itself.
this is kind of why TG will never make an major international move militarily in the foreseeable future, of any kinds.
you can't operate a military campaign with your brain confused(:).
all the TGchina's 国际战略 cheap talk=BS, there is no money there, period.
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the other fundamental weakness of Chinese nation
tgchina does not really have brain power to perform a normal "logic and algo" discussion at society level: having been under 顶层设计 for 5 k years, other than 顶层, there is really no "brains storming" /思想解放 debate and discussions at society level, which is almost a must for a modern society, for things such as innovation at 草根 level and 产业升级 at national level, etc.
instead, away from TG top and into Chinese society at 草根 level , in stead of the science, logic and algo, it is emotional national geopolitical of Chinese traditional culture mixed with Marxism and Maoism, and all kind of brain damaging BS all over the place, basically wasting society's mind resources and going no where, excuse me.
kind of why I have been saying: have your children study physics and English, starting yesterday.
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成也萧何, 败也萧何
Tgchina's 顶层设计 basically running every thing such as managing the brains of crowd, or running ideology war everyday is in a way 脑残 Chinese society and nation to some degree;
for example: do we really understand 私有制, 市場化, "正常化" and other core pieces of US algo?
is it 普世 and in what sense? Europe is actually running some kind of "socialist" version of 私有制, 市場化, getting trapped in zero growth now.
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"evil" speaking, actually to have a "毛林共识" TG managing Chinese mainland forever may be in the best interest of Uncle Sam.
kind of why US political elite have long stopped talking about 普世化 china, and instead , they try to paint tgchina as some kind of 黄祸.
we will see how the next US administration handles tgchina.
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the other point I want to make:
TG is often perceived as servicing or protecting TG 特权阶层 in its "打左灯, 向右拐"顶层设计
as a society's elite, 特权 comes with it; but fundamentally, like any political elite of any other nation, TG as Chinese nation's only elite, is working or at least wanting to work for the best interest of Chinese nation, that is a logical assumption.
now, the problem is not about TG's "heart or mind", we can "safely" assume that TG has a "good" heart and a bright mind.
then what is the problem? it is all about TG's historical legacy and baggage of "毛林共识", now playing this new game of "打左灯, 向右拐" under 顶层设计, under that historical 传家宝 legacy and baggage of "毛林共识", trying to command troops of "陈王奋起挥黄钺/hullo" type, etc.
and fundamentally, TG has to learn how to grow, develop and mobilize brain resources at Chinese society's 草根 level, not 顶层设计 the brain process of every Chinese crowd of X numbers.
very challenging, but I would bet that TG would make it to the point of at least some kind of 私有制, 市場化, "正常化" at national level, with a Chinese style.
家园 "中国模式的终点": 至少 2030 or never first of all, just read many of your excellent writings, some of them very helpful in terms of understanding 中国模式, a brain challenging task, if not a brain damaging ordeal.
sorry to type in English, and I hope this post is not going to offend people, buy my posts always offend many people, many of them being Tg's propaganda troops.
by the way and as a disclaimer, this kind of "social science" is very hard, and I really don't know.
but "political social science" is a very profitable business, and in china in particular, so it is worth trying to understand it.
Uncle Sam's version of "political social science" is kind of in Wall Street, all proprietary, just like TG's "model": they are telling nobody how do they make so much money(:) with their models, everyday.
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中国模式
and politically,
as you said:
"TG怕的不是老外，甚至不是懂英语的小白，而是底层的劳工。国内的网站严防死守，你挪到外边，一样有GFW。让亿万劳工团不起来，就是沙子， 没有任何威胁了。"
economically
城镇化, according to ex-人大副委员长 成思危, its potential in terms of your 官办经济 model, will work until 2030 at least;
"hullo" described TG's model very well: basically you short (薄血利用) Chinese farmers ( it has been like that since day 1 of TG's "business model"), and with profit you make there from shorting Chinese farmers, you long (收買利用) middle class and elite of Chinese society, then you basically manage this GDP 永动机 business as a market maker in mainland china, with 毛林共识 as its core, and I wrote about it before.
毛林共识 has been working, and it will be working for at least another decades if not longer. 相对论方程一阶, for Chinese nation in particular.
US TPP is not going to be a big deal in terms of threatening TGchina's current model, 民粹主義 outside of TGchina is basically putting world economy into a zero growth phase;
and in that sense, TGchina's growth of at least another decade provides global "zero growth" economy with some badly needed 溫度, a huge contribution;
but, the tricky part: TGchina's model of "臭豆腐闻起来是臭的，可吃起来总是香的" basically give all the credit of Chinese nation's hard work to Uncle Sam, in many ways.
Uncle Sam
for the foreseeable future, US still provides unmatched leadership at the high end, for global system, in terms of almost everything else, as I said zillions time before;
for one thing: TG's model=只能做不能说, kind of why TG's ideology is full of brain damaging BS.
kind of why Chinese political elite is doing what they have been doing, because they know what is going on, and they are making tons of money out of it, atop their other "trading profits".
Still, overall, I think, "majority" of Chinese people supports TG for whatever reasons, then TG's model will work, even in terms of "ideology".
as to US, Uncle Sam will eventually work out some deal with TG, so everybody is happy.
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Now, Mao "model".
I know you and many of Chinese like Mao, thinking or trying to develop or grow "Maoism" into a new system for humanity beyond capitalism.
this is a very complicated topic, and it is way beyond even "3020", so I don't really care, and not many people care, not even TG top leadership;
but fundamentally and in brief: Maoism is a good 为人民服务 type of "宗教" to some degree, and it has been appealing to 人民 like many "宗教", particularly Chinese people who has been day dreaming about 好皇帝 for 5k year;
and by the way, this is one area of Chinese nation's fundamental weakness: lack of "mind day dreaming" for science, for ALGO or systems, but full of "heart enthusiasm" for 好人 BS. come on: we all need a good ALGO or good system as a model to understand the world and to grow in it, and 人 fundamentally is an social animal of dual nature, always: angel and evil, as such an animal, 人 has to be put into a system to develop its angel side and to contain its evil side.
true, this is kind of white's propaganda. Chinese's 天人合一 of social science is all different.
now, more about Mao:
but in terms of physics' "energy equation", the human economic and political system's final purpose is not really 为人民服务, the system's final objective is to find a way of relentless innovation and growth, economically and scientifically etc, for humanity to advance, for human civilization to grow out of earth system before it dies...
if it is not for that system purpose of innovaton and growth forever:
with the current 人类生产力, we can already to have a global
共产主义社会. we can afford that yesterday.
In that sense, Marxist Maoism is fundamentally "wrong": we can not have a 共产主义社会, and we will never have a one: it has nothing to do with 生產力, we just can not do it.
may be one day, when humanity finds a new home somewhere in the universe, and when looking back at "dark and disappearing" earth, we can have a few days of 共产主义社会 party, for a few "days", then humanity has to look for its next home in GR' or 广义相对论 universe as we know.
by the way, the following is a great piece:
changshou:几何直观地介绍广义相对论的时空以及大爆炸模型（0）分页第 ...
www.ccthere.com/topic/3659016/23
so, fundamentally Maoism or its various derivatives all have a logic issue, if it is not treated as an "宗教" .
to be brief and to be extremely speaking: Marxism and Mao kind of all put "为人民服务" objective/function above everything else, almost, when designing a system.
that system as we know, will run out of energy pretty soon.
again, the system's "gene"(basically physics) is not going to let that global 为人民服务共产主义社会 to happen, period.
but, politicians will use that to BS and manage most of their 人民, everywhere. they have to.
now, to some degree, the system has to 为人民服务 in a way, so there will be more leaders/innovators coming out of 人民, but most of 人民 are fundamentally 乾電池, and 乾電池 only, extremely speaking.
and in a dilemma facing today's human system: we are over supplied with 人民乾電池, almost everywhere.
what to do? omg(:).
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because of that most of "人民 are fundamentally 乾電池" issue, human system as a dissipative system has to perform its cleaning out function of 優勝劣敗 適者生存, because social-bio systems are fundamentally dissipative system nature, it has to constantly look for new energy for its survival, and growth, while dumping out its "system waste".
not only social bio systems are of dissipative system nature, many mesoscopic or quantum physics systems are of that dissipative system or intelligent/dynamic system nature as well such as "相变" system at macroscopic level or 分子馬達 of more of mesoscopic level , many of them are still to be understood and studied by physicists, vs Newton's classical and mostly macroscopic and 'static" physics system.
by the way, as we all know, Newton's classical and mostly macroscopic and 'static" physics system does not really care about 摩擦力/熱消耗 etc, because of many newton's systems are mechanical system of Marxist era of 工業革命, therefore "时间平移不变", "static". but now we have had a quantum physics for almost a century already
kind of a challenging issue for TGchina's economic model: how to handle the emerging, new and challenging mode of quantum or mesoscopic physics based, more environmentally helpful and information sensitive 生产方式 of modern capitalism's next phase?
vs TG's traditional business model of "淮海战役的胜利是人民群众用小车推出来的", almost since day 1.
kind of why TGchina can never lead the world with this kind of "臭豆腐" social economic model, however effective it may be, in terms of TGchina's GDP 7% forever.
of course, Europe or other regions are almost running out of any 豆腐, and TGchina's 臭豆腐 is much better than "zero 豆腐", period.
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Europe is actually much more of Maoist socialist type than everybody else, and it is deeply trapped in 民粹主義 , going no where.
an example:
dogs "eat" children in many European countries, but because of 人民民主專政 in Europe, nothing can be done, period, dogs still eat human children once a while.
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for various reasons, US system is still working, kind of 正面资本主义, and TGchina is some kind of 只能做不能说"资本主义", and everybody else are trapped somewhere between 人民民主專政 and white "民粹主義"
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now, in US, because of "over information", and some kind of confusion among US elite themselves, US is kind of "资本主义", 做得清说不清, and many BS in 说 part.
TGchina: I think (of course guessing) TG's top elite (therefore top elite of Chinese society) somehow know this "new ALGO of capitalism of peacefully fxxking 人民 in the name of 優勝劣敗 適者生存", and the way TG does it: it is doable only in mainland china.
So, TG has been and will be 内战内行 外战外行, period, in terms of fxxking 人民乾電池.
but of course you can't say that, just like white politicians telling all kinds of lies to get the votes, TG is brainwashing the whole Chinese nation with all kind of propaganda BS.
but that is the nature of system: you have to do it, do many "head fakes" to clean out those brainless folks, or do bad things for good purpose.
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if that is the "line of logic", TG under X will be keep going 打左灯向右转, and US will 打美国之音灯, going the way Uncle Sam is going now: because of US's too many systematic resources (such as energy independence, global focal points of human brains, etc), uncle sam has a lot of room to fxxk non-US or other nations' 人民乾電池.
of course, Uncle Sam is always trying to squeeze TGchina whenever and wherever possible.
but hey, because of china's gdp growth rate of 7% at least for another decade if not more, Uncle Sam has to cut a deal with TG, period.
there is no growth else where in this world: US 3% growth, tgchina about 6%, everywhere else: 0 if not negative.
no money(energy), no honey, no nothing. physics.
家园 models: TG's 势能, US 动能 to be brief:
hamiltonian mechanics, at least something we know.
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if you think a social system at humanity and global level is fundamentally a dissipative system, then how to discover and leverage on individual "atom"'s "动能" is central to your model, therefore the white's algo of system of 公職 core: individual and their rights are above anything else, 民主自由, 市场竞争,优胜劣百, etc;
any other models?
of course, 民主自由, 市场竞争,优胜劣百=kind of model only Uncle Sam knows how to and can afford to play, still Uncle Sam's white trash population is growing rapidly, and US is increasing relying on importing international brain power.
TG's 势能 model: "中国社会各阶级的分析", basically long and short trade, politically and militarily, and economically, as we know;
kind of why TG needs to have GFW: 势能 model works very well with a closed system: 關門打狗(:), why not?
vs a dissipative open system, what is "势能" of a dissipative open system?
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physics does not know very much at all about a dissipative open system, 耗散结构理论=?
TG's system as said before, it is a local model, working within mainland china only, although it could work out forever(:)
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普里戈金以多年的努力，试图把最小熵产生原理延拓到远离平衡的非线性区去，但以 ... 耗散结构理论可概括为：一个远离平衡态的非线性的开放系统(不管是物理的
家园 约束系统: 傅立叶分解, 各个击破, 運動战, 穿擦战 the key to TG's 势能 model: 包围, then it is fairly straight forward 可微可积 classical physics system.
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1) "中国社会各阶级的分析",
2) GFW: then you have got a 约束系统, 傅立叶分解, 各个击破, 運動战, 穿擦战, piece of cake, short and long combined;
a 传家宝 model invented and developed by Mao for TG, since day 1;
now, you cannot do it both internationally and domestically, all TG runs into the risk of 被包围;
knowing that, US and Japan try fxxking TGchina with TPP stuff, getting TG engaged into some kind of international battle/conflicts of whatever;
TG: no way, I only fxxk you US & JPY guys with my mouse, words, no real war;
I will keep working on getting china GDP grow at 7%, then uncle sam's wall street wolves will come and ask to "marry me".
Premier L is doing the dirty part of that game, economic reforms, and X's is working on everything else;
they will make it, most likely.
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TG has been very smart, limited however by the lack of international gaming experiences of Chinese nation as a whole, understandably.
Internationally, TGchina sold Pakistan out to let it being fxxked into two pieces by Indians in early 1970, TG was busy joining UN at the time.
if you are an Asian country, can you ever trust TGchina?
around year 2k: Tg missed the historical macro trade of china 联邦 of singpore, TW, and a global alliance of 华侨特务 of almost 100M capable of stealing every brain works/know-how of whites;
an golden 外战机会 for Chinese nation to become some kind of market maker for Asian continent at least.
too bad, TG did not make it or had never even thought about it, for lack of brain or guts, or both, or whatever reasons.
that kind of macro trade is often once a life, once missed, forever missed.
possibly because of all that, Uncle Sam thinks that tgchina is a limited regional economic power.
still, Uncle Sam will grab every possible opportunities to fxxk tgchina into pieces.
Unlikely to happen, mostly a day dream for Uncle Sam, and uncle sam is still 骄傲自满, particularly its social culture, it has not really learned much yet from the rise of TGchina.
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