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家园 【原创】想买Ford Explorer，几个问题请教大家 00的车子，有些小问题，请问修的话要多少钱
车子的性能是这样的，
Eddie Bauer trim, Dark Blue with Tan Accents, 2WD V6 Automatic Transmission
, Leather, Moonroof, 17” Alloy Wheels, Trailer/Tow Hookups, Limited Slip
Differential, Trip Computer, Rear Parking Sensors, 6-way Power Driver and
Passenger Seats, Power Locks, Power Windows, CD, Cruise Control, Steering
Wheel Integrated Audio/Climate Controls, Electro-chromic Rear View Mirror,
100k miles, one owner
我问了几个问题，谈到机械问题的时候，他这么回答的，
6,What about mechanical defulties on the vehicle?
No major mechanical issues
A couple of minor mechanical issues:
Passenger side tail lamp currently out
Infrequent brake squeek from driver's side rear tire
A couple of minor cosmetic issues:
Driver's side fog lamp is out
Driver's side inside rear door handle does not work properly
Center console hinge needs to be replaced (bent)
不知道换 Passenger side tail lamp， 一个fog lam ，一个console, 后门门把手一
共多少钱。
Infrequent brake squeek from driver's side rear tire这个问题是什么样性质的？
严重么？
这个
Steering Wheel Integrated Audio/Climate Controls是什么东西？咕咕几下都没有找到。
附我买车的时候常问的几个问题
1,Is the engine /transmission in perfect condition?.
2,How often do you service the vehicle?.
3,How many miles is the vehicle at the moment?.
4 how long did you use vehicle?.
5,Has the vehicle been involve in auto accident?
6,What about mechanical defulties on the vehicle?
7, What is your vin number ?
家园 03 90k FORD EXPLORE 74K到手。现在上税都按 ＫＢＢ的市场价来计算， 辛辛苦苦找的ｄｅａｌ亏了。
家园 least-safe cars 2007--没有SUV1 做个搬运工工作
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http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/leastsafe_1.html
Autos
Least-Safe Cars 2007
Forbes.com
By Dan Lienert
You're at the car dealership, excited to seal the deal on your nice new ride
. You're assessing your options, and several sound sexy: heated cup holders,
GPS navigation system, big alloy wheels.
One option that does not: side airbags.
But in a pinch, they could make a bigger difference than the navigation syst
em, shiny wheels and coffee-warmer combined. The Insurance Institute for Hig
hway Safety (IIHS) rattled the automotive world on Oct. 5 by announcing that
side airbags that protect people's heads are reducing driver deaths in cars
struck on the driver's side by an estimated 37%. So are side airbags the se
at belts of the 21st century?
Seat belts--also humble and un-sexy--were not required by law a few decades
ago, and wearing them was not commonplace. Today, side airbags aren't always
standard--and as the safety bar ratchets ever higher, cars without them are
lagging in safety ratings.
Go to Forbes.com to see seven of today's least-safe cars.
The airbag effect shows in our list of the least-safe new cars on the market
. In crash tests, a car with side airbags can be among the best performers;
take the bags away, and its ratings can fall dramatically.
Case in point: Toyota Motor's Corolla four-door. It's popular, reliable and
a good performer in crash tests--except for models without side airbags. The
n it comes with the lowest possible side-protection ratings from the IIHS, a
nd makes it onto our list.
Also on the roster: Chevrolet's Cobalt four-door, which does better with sid
e airbags, but without them gets some "poor" crash-test ratings; Ford Motor'
s Focus four-door and Mazda's Mazda3 four-door, for which there are no IIHS
crash-test ratings with side airbags; Saturn's Ion four-door, which has poor
ratings with or without optional side airbags; and Suzuki Motor's Aerio and
Forenza four-doors, which have standard airbags but still get poor side cra
sh-test scores.
Many--if not most--new cars come a host of safety features: anti-lock brakes
, which can preserve steering control and reduce stopping distances; tractio
n- and stability-control systems, which increase control and stability on sl
ippery surfaces; and daytime running lights, which help you see better and m
ake you more visible to other drivers. Automakers insert higher-strength ste
el into collision-prone sections. They design seats, head restraints and bum
pers to shield occupants in crashes.
From 1982 until 2005, U.S. driver death rates per million passenger vehicles
registered decreased 51%, according to the IIHS, an independent, nonprofit
organization dedicated to reducing the losses (deaths, injuries and property
damage) from crashes in the U.S. But most of that drop came from frontal cr
ashes, in which driver death rates decreased 53%, due to such factors as fro
ntal airbags, higher seatbelt use and more crash-worthy vehicles.
In contrast, driver death rates in side crashes decreased 42% during that ti
me. And each year, 43,000 Americans still die in auto accidents..
To compile our roster, we looked at three main factors: a car's accident-avo
idance features; results of crash tests, which are conducted in controlled e
nvironments; and real-world data, in the rates of injury claims filed per ve
hicle. (See details of our methodology here.)
We were surprised that the list consisted entirely of small passenger cars,
such as Ford Motor's Focus, and the Saturn Ion. We expected to see at least
one SUV on the roster. But a section on the Highway Loss Data Institute's (H
LDI) Web site explains why the list looks the way it does: small two- and fo
ur-door cars typically have higher death rates and higher-than-average insur
ance injury claims.
Automakers whose cars made the list took issue with it. The main complaints
involved the IIHS' testing procedures, the meaning of a worse-than-average r
ate of injury-claim filings and the fairness of singling out cars with one o
r more bad scores despite multiple good scores in other areas.
"You cannot draw these kinds of conclusions" from the data, a Ford spokesman
said of the Focus.
A Toyota Motor spokesman said that the Corolla four-door has several good cr
ash-test ratings, despite a couple of "poor" IIHS ratings for certain models
. The spokesman also pointed out that the car's injury-claim rate is better
than those of several of its competitors. Ford Motor argued against our incl
usion of its Focus for the same reasons.
家园 2 Both are true. But the injury-claim rates of the Corolla and Focus are still
"substantially worse than average," according to HLDI--even if other cars h
ave worse scores. And some of the worse-scoring cars, such as Suzuki's Foren
za, are also on the list--though others, such as Kia's Rio and General Motor
s' Chevrolet Aveo four-doors, are not, because the IIHS has not yet issued t
hem crash-test scores. (A caveat: Not every car on the market has a full ros
ter of safety ratings. The IIHS and NHTSA do not crash-test all models, and
crash-protection ratings and injury-claim reports are constantly being updat
ed.)
Both Ford and Toyota insisted that any model without side airbags is bound t
o receive a "poor" IIHS side-impact rating. The rating, Ford argued, is real
ly just a test of side-airbag presence and frontal protection scores are mor
e important. The Toyota spokesman said that only 15% of Corolla buyers get s
ide curtain airbags, because people shopping for this type of car "are extre
mely price-sensitive and are opting for other optional equipment more often
than for side curtain airbags."
Our perspective: Feel free to forego the $655 side airbags in a Corolla. But
know that there is a safety tradeoff.
A General Motors spokesman asserted that HDLI figures have little to do with
vehicle safety. "Those figures pertain to what insurance companies are aske
d to pay for repairs," he said. But HLDI states on its Web site that "injury
losses"--the figures we studied for this piece--summarize the medical, hosp
ital and other expenses incurred by occupants of insured vehicles.
If a car crash involves a trip to the hospital, that's potentially relevant
to the safety of the car involved. But other factors help predict insurance-
claim filings. For example, Ford emphasized that demographics can influence
injury rates--say, if a car is more popular with older drivers, who are more
susceptible to injury, or very young drivers, who may drive faster and have
less experience.
In terms of other comments we received, a Mazda spokesman wrote that the Maz
da3 has a "good" IIHS frontal-impact rating, despite the "poor" side rating
of models tested without side airbags. And, he said, "many Mazda3 models als
o feature dynamic stability control, traction control and anti-lock brakes,
a combination of safety features not available on many other vehicles in its
class."
Finally, Toyota took issue with our criticism of the Corolla's "poor" IIHS r
ear crash-protection rating. He called attention to the fact that the IIHS b
ases its overall rating for rear protection on a two-step evaluation that in
cludes (1) the geometry of the seat and head restraint [a "static" test] and
(2) a "dynamic" test that simulates a rear impact. The spokesman said that
the Corolla's "static" rating is the highest-possible. In fact, the IIHS' We
b site states that the "static" rating of 2006- and 2007-model Corollas is m
erely "acceptable," and that the car's "dynamic" and "overall" ratings are "
poor."
By publication time, Suzuki had not responded to requests for comment.
家园 从死亡报告上看SUV的安全性 仔细读了那个死亡报告 ZT
http://images.businessweek.com/autos/pdfs/alcohol.pdf
主要三类车car,pickup,SUV,每类车里还分大中小.
04年车祸中死亡31,581,其中car20,443, pickup 5751, SUV 4670.
1.首先是主要车祸类型,可以前撞,侧撞,后撞,其他(主要rollover).
所有死亡人数中,前撞占49%,侧面31%,其他16%.但是每类车的比例
各不相同,car死亡的20443人中: 前撞49%,后撞36%,其他10%;
而SUV死亡的4670人中:前撞43%,后撞22%,其他32%.
这也就是大家说的SUV容易翻车.
但是仔细看这些事故,可以分single-vihicle, Multiple-vehicle.
car死亡的人中,59%是死在Multiple-vihicle中,SUV只有1/3.
而且SUV死在single-vihicle中的人,47%是rollover.
也就是说SUV出事故都是自己一个人开车出事,而且出事就容易翻车.前面SUV
翻车比例高的原因也是因为单车事故中翻车太多.(可能开SUV还是需要专门训练一下).
如果多车相撞中,SUV翻车比例并没有比Car高.
2.死亡人数中,25岁以下,70岁以上明显多. 男的占70% (可能本身开车男的多).
3.下面这个死亡率更重要,就是每100万注册1-3年新车的死亡人数.
总体来看,pickup最差(144),car(113)和SUV(100)差不多.
报告中对司机死亡率单独做了研究: car(76),pickup(106),SUV(64).
每一类车中分大中小,又轻又小的车明显死亡率高.其中SUV和midsize以上的car
司机死亡率相当,大概50-70左右.
如果仔细看司机死亡率的事故类型,在多车事故中,SUV(25)明显低于其他车Car(44)
,pickup(40). 而且大SUV(18)更低,相反小车死亡率就更高.单车事故中SUV(39)就
要高于car(31),而且单车事故翻车死亡率SUV(29),car只有(15).所以SUV的
死亡率主要是单车翻车.
对SUV来说,4WD和2WD没有明显区别,可能有所帮助.
4.再来看看各种事故类型的每百万车死亡率,也是只列了司机的死亡率.在
多车事故中,car(44)前撞侧撞差不多各一半(22/20),SUV(25)
前撞侧撞是(15/8),大的SUV更少.
5.最后还有rollover死亡率,是指各种车祸最后导致翻车死亡的(前面1中是车祸主要
原因).1/3的死亡跟翻车有关.SUV中死的4670人62%(2888)是翻车,而car 只有23%.
仔细看SUV翻车事故,主要是单车翻车死亡(2286),而且大车明显不容易翻车,
结论:
SUV并不是更安全,与midsize以上的car死亡率相当.
但是SUV的死亡率主要是单车事故,而且是单车翻车事故.
Large SUV不但总体死亡率低,而且单车翻车也少.
家园 oh. explorer可不是什么好车。 别看那么大的个子，一点都不经撞。毛里求斯，可能记错，反正就是太平洋上一个岛国的王子，前一段时间在旧金山就是开explorer，被一个teen girl开一小车给撞翻挂掉了，那个女孩连轻伤都没有。
explorer爱侧翻是比较著名的。
家园 貌似他俩没有寄安全带的。10月纽约对头撞车祸 还是 说明车子的安全性和车子重量成正比。我现在韩国车那个钢板太薄了，高速上轻飘飘的， 其实其他性能都不错。
SUV的撤翻是臭名昭著了，看了几天下来，我猜原因是
explorer的转弯半径小， 还有轮胎问题。
对策是，转弯速度一定要在35以下，问问轮胎换过了没有。
家园 没系安全带是一个原因，但一个那么大的一个 full size SUV居然会被一个小车撞翻，也很说明问题了。Explorer还发生过在高速上跑直线，跑着跑着就翻的事故，结果是因为被侧风给吹的。SUV的确有爱侧翻的问题，但Explorer是里面更加突出的。不是一个很好的选择。
另，题外话。新型的SUV都重新改变的车高/车宽的比例。让车更加横了一点，据说基本解决了侧翻的问题，控制性和小车差不多。Nissan的Murano是最早如此做的。实践很成功，所以很多SUV都跟进了。
上个月去提MM的Cayenne S，上高速ramp的时候，过弯速度70km/h，控制还是非常好的。
家园 Porsche Cayenne 10万MIL还要1万9。 上次看到的一个政府拍卖的。
我这个才要价6千。
IIHS的报告看来EXPLORER的对头撞还行
没有撤撞的报告。
总的安全性看来好于平均值。
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/datatables.aspx?class=55&type=f
