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家园 分析的这么专业啊~~~
家园 多谢了,说的很透彻。

我以前也是在医学科学领域,虽然不是临床,但是接触了很多医生,对糖尿病有一些了解,所以对那些将“保健品”冠以“药品”的行为极端痛恨,不但是骗钱,而且很有可能延误正确的治疗,希望这样一来就没有什么人会去相信那个施海潮所谓的90 美元/瓶的“药品”了。

家园 不过我觉得也有可能是他真信那个

至于他信的东西是不是对,这就另说了。把各方所说的有些看似矛盾的东西整合起来看,如果尽量使其冲突为最小的话,那么我想也许是这样的,施先生是真心去救人的,然而他的地震糖尿病等观点是错误的,而他自己并没有认识到这点,而将军怒什么的,以讹传讹的可能性很大,可能他也是听别人说的而已,也可能由于救灾工作的繁忙,记错了或者记混了,因为他的主要工作毕竟不是记者。

家园 地震和战争有点类似

人身处其间,精神都紧张,身体都有应激反应。今天还打电话问了我爸爸(呵呵,我爸爸以前是医生,上过战场)他说打完仗下来,对战士们进行身体检查,没有什么战场引起的糖尿病的问题,倒是精神紧张是个大问题。

当然了,战士们都是青年小伙,属于身体最棒的一个群体,其他身体弱一些的人群是不是会有这个问题,还要请教专家。

家园 真是大腕儿,把复杂的东西说得浅显易懂,科普的精品。

科普可不好写。写的专业了,没人看,看不懂,太枯燥,没人看就跟没写一样。写得太通俗了,有可能损害科学性。

老兄真是行家一出手就知有没有。

家园 酮体莫不是胴体,俺承认俺的思想不纯洁。

“身体很快就会使用替代能源(不是太阳能啊),这就是酮体”

俺的思绪一下就漂走了,好一会儿才回过神来,原来是黄粱美梦,擦干口水,继续读,算是体会了一把书中自有颜如玉。

老兄这篇写得好,更严密了一些,而且着眼灾区,有实际意义。

家园 说到点子上了,garbage in, garbage out

这是我们老师讲课时说的,意思是:如果data都不可靠,根据这data总结出来的还有价值吗?

打个比方,房子建在沙子上,有人敢住吗?

家园 mm是爱憎分明,眼里揉不得沙子,送花。

夜月说的也有可能,有句话叫,要想叫别人信你,你首先得说服自己。施先生是空洞派高手,跨越糖尿病,癌症,疯牛病,禽流感一系列广大人民迫切需要帮助的领域。

“因为他的主要工作毕竟不是记者”,这话我同意,那这个责任归谁呢?记者怕是应该对自己的东西负责吧。

家园 常数兄考虑周到。骗子成功的秘诀就是投其所好。
家园 另:推荐寒塘冷月的相关帖子:荒谬绝顶的地震糖尿病

也是有理有据,感兴趣的朋友请移步青史版http://www.cchere.net/article/1643496

家园 专业送花

呵呵。

不小心,得宝了。

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家园 糖尿病的类型1和类型2

很多人都知道糖尿病,但多数人,包括我自己以前,以为治疗糖尿病用胰岛素就可以了。糖尿病 type 1, type 2 你上面已经讲了,我试着再讲的通俗一些。糖尿病只是症状,原因则可能是因为病人体内不制造胰岛素(type 1),也可能是有胰岛素,但是不起作用(type 2)。因为type1 和 type2的不同,治疗方式也是不同。注射胰岛素,对类型1病人可能会有效,但是对类型则恐怕是浪费了。几乎不太可能用一种药同时治疗这两种类型的糖尿病。

注:前几天正好听到一个和糖尿病有关的学术报告,才了解到自己原来的理解有错误。

家园 这个似乎是有论文的。

这个是链接。

外链出处

摘要抄录如下

To examine the short- and long-term influences of the Marmara earthquake, which occurred on August 17, 1999 in Turkey, on glycemic control and quality of life (QOL), HbA1c, insulin requirement and QOL of 88 people with type 1 diabetes living in the quake zone were evaluated one year before (PreE), 3 months after (PostE) and one year after (FE) the earthquake. HbA1c levels and daily insulin requirements increased significantly at PostE (HbA1c from 7.4 .+-. 1.3% to 8.5 .+-. 1.8%, p<0.05; insulin from 0.58 .+-. 0.2 IU/kg/day to 0.77 .+-. 0.2 IU/kg/day, p<0.05). Mean total QOL scores at PostE were significantly lower than the scores obtained at PreE (62.7 .+-. 17.3 vs 74.2 .+-. 13.4, p<0.001). There were no significant differences between HbA1c levels and total QOL scores at PreE and FE. People with type 1 diabetes living in the same house after the earthquake and not having enough food supply were reported to have lower QOL than people moving to another house and having enough food supply after the earthquake (p = 0.014, p<0.0001, respectively). The Marmara Earthquake had a negative impact on the glycemic control and QOL of the subjects with type 1 diabetes for the short term but prequake scores might be achieved after a long period. (author abst.)

类似的论文还有一些。比如这一篇,讲阪神地震后的糖尿病研究。看起来是一个研究点。

Abstract

At 5:56 p.m. on October 23, 2004, a major earthquake of magnitude 6.8 on the Richter scale struck the Chuetsu district of Niigata Prefecture, Japan, a rural area with mountain villages. Strong aftershocks of grade 5–6 on the Japanese Intensity Scale continued for 2 months. We investigated changes in the HbA1c levels of 65 type 1 diabetic patients with insulin therapy before and throughout the 12 months of aftershocks that followed the earthquake. All patients received insulin therapy via pens with replaceable cartridges or continuous subcutaneous insulin infusion (CSII). Most patients needed four daily insulin injections with rapid- and long-acting insulins. Nineteen percent of patients had the CSII therapy using rapid-acting insulin. The mean HbA1c level in all patients increased significantly (P < 0.01) from 6.7 ± 0.9% to 7.0 ± 1.0% in the third month, peaked at the fifth month, and decreased at 12 months. Sixty percent of the patients stayed in their own houses after the initial shock, while 40% of patients moved into other houses. Seventeen percent of the patients had severely destroyed houses. The median PTSD score was low in all patients. Within 1 month after the earthquake, the pens with replaceable cartridges were discontinued and disposable pens with prefilled insulin cartridges were used. The incidence of nephropathy increased by 7% by the third month and returned to the pre-earthquake level by the sixth month. Over the 12-month observation period, no other micro- or macro-vascular diseases were newly diagnosed. One patient had transient severe acute hyperglycemia and one needed hemodialysis. However, none of the patients had ketoacidosis, and no other clinical manifestations of disease were noted.

In conclusion, it is essential that neighboring organizations respond quickly with sufficient medical support for diabetic patients with insulin therapy following an earthquake. In particular, treatment with rapid- and long-acting insulin injections via disposable pens with prefilled insulin cartridges or CSII therapy is useful during a disaster. To take the medical support, patients should always have a note or copy of their medical records, including medical history and medications used.

如果你能看到论文全文,能否详细说说?

另外,我觉得地震糖尿病这个名词应该来源于上面论文里描述的现象,但与健康时报上的“施教授指出”那段相去甚远。不知道这里到底是记者本身因为不是医学专业导致的转述错误,还是原话就是如此。


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