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家园 滚装船中国船厂也能够造,谁怕谁?
家园 全面质量管理,我有办法

我以前在船厂做出一点成绩的就是当质检员,对于企业该怎么样组织全面质量管理是有着自己的一整套看法的,当然现在我的看法发表出来也没有被重视的可能

家园 美国工会不懂得和为贵的道理
家园 哈哈,没错

不过,眼下马上要来的劳动节,也是肇始于100多年前米国工人运动,芝加哥工人的血,以及此后历次流血,换来了美国工人地位的步步升高。

作为副作用,米国工人不好妥协,从而与资方一道,在全国大危机的背景下一起沉沦,也是一个悲剧。

家园 所以麦凯恩失总统,焉知非福阿
家园 不过这次克莱斯勒破产可不是工会的原因

事实上这次 UAW 几天前已经和资方达成新的协议。但克莱斯勒的债主中有一大票对冲基金拒绝接受克莱斯勒提出的重组计划。结果克莱斯勒只好破产了事。

家园 多谢老兄指正

^_^

家园 bond holder根本无需担心

这种企业债券的持有者肯定买了无数cds对冲风险的。大不了破产了靠cds赚钱。who怕who阿。

家园 del

回错了

家园 对冲基金和CDS

关于这次Chrysler破产,现在舆论和政府都把矛头指向对冲基金。

有不少基金和投行买了公司的CDS,(下面Martingale也提到)公司破产的话,CDS上可以大赚一笔,所以他们当然在谈判中投了反对票。

这样看,奥巴马这次杀鸡给猴儿看,猴儿们未必被吓着。GM很悬啊!除非奥巴马用行政手段直接逼着投资人投降,但实在太难。

一旦事情到了那一步,那些赔付CDS的主们(投行,AIG们)又多了一大笔开销,对离死不远的它们来说无疑雪上加霜。要么连锁反应接着倒,要么政府接着买单。宋鸿兵所谓的公司债引起的第二波就要来了。

家园 【文摘】CDS和通用汽车破产

刚看到一篇短文。

Role of credit default swaps debated in GM's bankruptcy risk

文章提到GM避免破产现在面临的两大困难:持有CDS的对冲基金,和如何让九成的债主签字。

About $2.7 billion of the $28 billion in existing GM bonds are backed by such swaps, a form of insurance that investors buy to protect against defaults or other adverse "credit events." In GM's case, these swaps would presumably entitle large institutional bondholders to be paid in full in the event of a GM default. Therefore, those big bondholders would likely keep their bonds and watch GM go bankrupt rather than trade the bonds for stock in a new GM that's 89% owned by Uncle Sam and the UAW.

Or so the logic goes.

27亿美元的债券有CDS担保,基金们有让GM破产的冲动。

But Tim Backshall, chief strategist for Credit Derivatives Research, doesn't see credit default swaps triggering a GM bankruptcy. Yes, Backshall told me, there are $2.7 billion of GM swaps outstanding, "but that's not quite as hairy as it sounds."

If speculators were trying to make money by trading swaps to bet on the odds of a GM bankruptcy, Backshall said, they would have cashed out long ago. And depending on the premiums paid for the remaining swaps, investors might not have much to gain from a default. Maybe a stock-for-bonds swap might be attractive, especially if GM and the U.S. Treasury sweeten the current offer, which GM said is equivalent to about 11 cents on the dollar.

对此有人不同意,认为通用的CDS价格近来一直很高,即使通用破产,靠买卖CDS也赚不到多少钱。还不如债转股来的划算。

A much greater obstacle to completing a bond exchange by the June 1 deadline for GM to prove its viability and preserve its lifeline of federal loans, Backshall said, is the sheer logistical challenge of rounding up hundreds of small investors to trade GM bonds for future equity.

"I think it's crazy," he said. "To expect the bondholders to find every mom and pop that has a GM bond and get 90% of them to agree is, I think, incredibly aggressive."

而另一个困难是让多达九成的人签字同意,在实际操作上也很难做到。

最后,

Still, there remains a possibility that bankruptcy can be averted. "There's going to be a better deal for bondholders somehow," Backshall said.

In other words, there might yet be an offer they can't refuse.

奥巴马=教父?!

家园 是啊,一面是包赔的CDS,一面是保赔的债转股

选择不难做出。奥巴马有什么行政手段可用呢?不认CDS是不行的,到时候只能往AIG继续灌钱。

家园 奥巴马把CDS吃下来就解决问题了

搞“债转股”纯粹是在异想天开。真搞“债转股”,如果通用还是破产,股票的清偿顺序可是排在最后头的。

其实奥巴马政府连印钞票都干了,直接印钱把 CDS 吃下来不就什么问题都解决了。要什么行政手段。

问题是奥巴马政府根基不稳。他本人又没魄力。真这么干,他有担心别人指责他浪费纳税人的钱之类的。呵呵。

家园 晨枫老大,美国这是要走在社会主义的康庄大道上了?

典型的公私合营+自由赎买啊。无比佩服我们的前辈们

家园 已经印了太多的钱了

再印钱把CDS买下来,只怕CDS买下来了,美国经济信用也没有了。

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