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家园 美国人为了救战友不但可以摔飞机,还可以。。。

韩国解密朝鲜战争档案 美军曾残杀无数韩国平民

一些曾经参加朝鲜战争的美军老兵也承认在朝鲜战争期间杀害了大量平民。一名来自得克萨斯州现年88岁的乔治?沃尔夫是美国空军一名退役中校,曾在美军第6147中队服役并参加朝鲜战争。如今,乔治还记得当时有关扫射平民的命令,他说:“我对袭击平民感到抱歉。”

家园 你可真行,居然拿龚楚的文章给tg摸黑

稍微有点逻辑的人,都好歹会找个貌似独立一点的第三方证据吧?

家园 何不食肉糜
家园 【收集整理】美军KW老兵回忆2 罪无可恕-老根里(草)

老根里,位于南朝鲜的中部,在美军地图里,这个地方被标为NoGunRi。

然而,这个不该有枪的地方,在60年前却经历了一场真正意义上的屠杀:美国军队对难民的屠杀!

下面的纪录片是BBC摄制的,名字叫:

Kill 'em All': American War Crimes in Korea 2001

坦白讲,纪录片中受害者的回忆和美军老兵的陈述,忏悔给我带来太多的震撼,太多的感想,很久以来一直不知从何讲起。

所以我觉得还是将它们先放在这里,大家慢慢的看,我以后慢慢的写为好。

Part 1

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/q8fKj9V_9EA[/FLASH]

Part 2

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/XtlYrq2otVg[/FLASH]

Part3

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/NJxGbvO4AY8[/FLASH]

Part4

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/_saZpN5gyGM[/FLASH]

Part5

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/3WXjOqP5DMs[/FLASH]

下面是其他的一些资料:

South Korea: US war crimes - 2008

Part 1

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/8HP1lOG35Kw[/FLASH]

Part2

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/TgHZ2b-UEHc[/FLASH]

Part3

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/PFj9JzEi0bk[/FLASH]

还有很多网上的文章,以后慢慢列出...

关键词(Tags): #美军#老兵回忆#老根里

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家园 看不见
家园 见识到归谬法了吧

连日本都能划分到尊重生命的行列。。。却除了中国。

真想发起围观。

家园 欢迎回来

继续支持px*3的挖掘工作。

知己知彼,百战不殆。

家园 向老弟问个好。

不象俺,来这里下河带着某种“目的”,说的好听点是“双赢” --- 都是钱闹的。

再次想你表示敬佩,向你这种不为银子不惧板砖的态度表示敬佩 --- 有追求的人就是比俺这种凡夫俗子强。

家园 美军可不认为这是他们的错

对于老根里,美国好像很忏悔。是不是呢?

我早说过:宣传就是看有多少真话没有讲。

这里楼主没有引用美军的调查报告。于是我们看不到美军的态度。那美军的态度是什么呢?

在2001年,美军专门应对AP的宣传进行调查。

报告在网上可以看到。外链出处

先把结论贴一下:

During late July 1950, Korean civilians were caught between withdrawing U.S.

forces and attacking enemy forces. As a result of U.S. actions during the Korean War in

the last week of July 1950, Korean civilians were killed and injured in the vicinity of No

Gun Ri. The U.S. Review Team did not find that the Korean deaths and injuries

occurred exactly as described in the Korean account. To appraise these events, it is

necessary to recall the circumstances of the period. U.S. forces on occupation duty in

Japan, mostly without training for, or experience in, combat were suddenly ordered to

join ROK forces in defending against a determined assault by well-armed and welltrained

NKPA forces employing both conventional and guerilla warfare tactics. The U.S.

troops had to give up position after position. In the week beginning July 25, 1950, the

1st Cavalry Division, withdrawing from Yongdong toward the Naktong River, passed

through the vicinity of No Gun Ri. Earlier, roads and trails in South Korea had been

choked with civilians fleeing south. Disguised NKPA soldiers had mingled with these

refugees. U.S. and ROK commanders had published a policy designed to limit the

threat from NKPA infiltrators, to protect U.S. forces from attacks from the rear, and to

prevent civilians from interfering with the flow of supplies and troops. The ROK National

Police were supposed to control and strictly limit the movements of innocent refugees.

In these circumstances, especially given the fact that many of the U.S. soldiers

lacked combat-experienced officers and Non-commissioned officers, some soldiers may

have fired out of fear in response to a perceived enemy threat without considering the

possibility that they might be firing on Korean civilians.

Neither the documentary evidence nor the U.S. veterans’ statements reviewed by

the U.S. Review Team support a hypothesis of deliberate killing of Korean civilians.

What befell civilians in the vicinity of No Gun Ri in late July 1950 was a tragic and

deeply regrettable accompaniment to a war forced upon unprepared U.S. and ROK

forces.

简单的意思就是:

当时美军没有经验,而且北朝鲜部队非常狡猾。于是,美军和南朝鲜部队决定不让老百姓跨过战线的。这是当时的难民控制政策。这事儿是规定由南朝鲜警察干的,但是,南朝鲜警察的水平太次,把他们的人民至于危险的境地。

南朝鲜报出的损失是查无实据的。而且,毫无证据表明这是一次蓄意的屠杀。

1950年七月平民在老根里附近的损失是个悲剧,而且很遗憾的伴随着毫无准备的美军和南朝鲜军队所面对的战争。

What befell civilians in the vicinity of No Gun Ri in late July 1950 was a tragic and deeply regrettable accompaniment to a war forced upon unprepared U.S. and ROK forces.

美国没有道歉,只是遗憾了一下。


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家园 还是这句牛

some soldiers may have fired out of fear in response to a perceived enemy threat without considering the possibility that they might be firing on Korean civilians.

屡试不爽,我射因为我怕怕。。。。

家园 被拍砖没啥可怕的,就怕总是拍不准地方,苦恼呀
家园 美国学者写这些烂事无外乎误会、误解、迫不得已等等借口

人难免一死,不是为专制而死,就是为自由而死。

家园 笑,搞不清楚他的思维方式

你这个“驴唇不对马嘴”,用在这里实在是太恰当了。

家园 最强回复!系统也赞叹不已!

恭喜:你意外获得【通宝】一枚

谢谢:作者意外获得【通宝】一枚

鲜花已经成功送出。

此次送花为【有效送花赞扬,涨乐善、声望】

To:楼下。

人家中心思想是说我们中国人为了战友的可以付出比灰机更珍贵的生命。您能抬杠到悲情越南,是用屁股想的回复吧。

家园 别苦恼~

你看人家frnkl不久拍的蛮准,逼得你只有奔人家下三路,搞些撩阴退,挖眼珠的小动作~

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