主题：迷茫的《中国通史》 -- 种植园土

他说伊斯兰极端主义要防范，要打击，中国政府办事不力，对危害性估计不足……blablabla，我有说过这些不对吗？不重要吗？

问题是干嘛塞进一句对回族历史全盘否定的话？其他的东西说得再天花乱坠，这一句话就把整个帖子降低到一个民族沙文主义者的水平。所谓一颗老鼠屎坏了一锅汤。

是不是汉族人也都是少数民族了？

不知道现在这么些人把“民族”这个东东推出来说事有什么用？

色目人就是二鬼子.此种人群有两副马甲,蒙古人得意时一副,蒙古人失意时又一副.

读工程类的，将来回马来西亚继续作研究，而且英语普遍还不错。一方面马来西亚是马来人掌权，不象华人被压迫，另外国家生活水平也还不错。马来人变成极端分子可行性应该小于其他穆斯林国家。不过我对在马来西亚的华人前途不看好，华人当年占30%，现在好像降到了20%，将来人口进一步减少，还不知道怎么样呢，另外马来人太能生了，这个中国人比不了啊。

which Christian church, as well as Catholic vs. Protestant(or evanglical) church

First, San Zi church--dummy of gov. donot worry. All corrupted.

Second, underground church--segmented, divided by different denominations. If you read the bible by yourself--the teaching of Jesus is very clear: love your neighbor as yourself; God to God, Caesar to Caesar (spiritially, Jesis is the lord-follow his teaching in your life; but also respect the secular power and king).

Some underground church practised extreme worship, but they are outlawed as "heresy" by fellow Christians and could not do harm.

Third, protestant church is segmented (if you live in States, you will understand immediately), lacking central power, unlike Catholic church.

Fourth, Catholic Church is always a competitor to secular power. It was true ever since its birth. Western European kings have been fighting Rome for centuries. Its power only fell after 19th century. In most part of Europe (excluding Ireland, Italy)/US, Catholic church is no longer a threat to secular power and ACTUALLY, most protestant nations are highly suspicious of Rome due to historical fights, and America is just one of them. JFK was disliked by many Americans just because he is IRISH and CATHOLIC.

Rome is not a threat to China because CCP has never tolerated any existence of the Catholic church from Rome. Domestic San Zi Catholic has no link to Rome any more.

The communist ideology is dead--that's the true threat to China. When one idealogy is confident and dynamic, you never ask that "threat" question. At least, it did not happen during 1940-50s.

Most Chinese have empty hearts with only traditional values guiding their daily life now. Even this minimum level of moral is facing more and more challenge from a materialistic society and high-rising real estate valuation.

China's true threat is ITSELF.

But as a person trained in ethnic studies, I'm surely aware of most of what you said.

The point is not here.

At stake is plantation earth's phraseology. What the hell does he mean by "回回的历史是可憎的"? If his critique on Islamic radicalism is a timely reminder, then this sentence is bullshit,or in a Chinese way, mouseshit. This evidently biased statement adds nothing to the clarity of his post, and yet manifests his chauvinistic arrogance and rudeness, thus provoking some Hui riverfriends to anger.

我以前对ysl没什么感觉

但是越来越多的恐怖袭击随着这个宗教而到来

让我对这个宗教很反感

尤其是俄罗斯的别斯兰事件，我就是从那时候起开始厌恶这个宗教的

欧洲很多恐怖分子都是土生土长的二代或者三代移民

他们拿着欧洲高福利，享受着欧洲平等自由的信教环境

接受欧洲正规的教育

他们仅仅因为听了几次宣教

就可以轻易地拿起屠刀去屠杀他们的邻居和朋友

去屠杀无辜的妇女和儿童，这个宗教太暴力了，太极端了

要论逻辑水平，忽悠人的能力，FLG不比YSL差

很多科学家都信过FLG

但是要论根基和影响范围，FLG完全无法跟YSL比

至少FLG只是自焚，若真像对待FLG一样对待YSL

我估计到时候中国到处都是发疯到处屠杀老百姓的穆斯林了

the video "Farewell to Israeli" and watch carefully the teaching of Mohammed.

I can not write everything here. Watch by yourself. Judge by yourself. 回回的历史是可憎的 is an overstatement. I guess Zhong has retracted some statements. As Han people, let's be more or less a bit more tolerant of him.

Christianity in its dark-age period is very stupid and brutal: priests abused people's faith in God and preached stuff totally inconsistent with Jesus'teaching. The belief went through a complete revolution after the reformation and renaissance period. RELIGIOUS LIFE BECOMES A PRIVATE ISSUE AND power is no longer concentrated in the church(both catholic and protestant) anymore. The secular society keeps its christian facade, but respects more individual freedom of choice. We live under rule of law in the West now.

In sum, Christianity modernizes itself and wings out its fundamentalism side.

As to Islam, the church and secular power was and will NEVER be separate. It is in Koran, it is in Mohammed's practice.

There is only believers vs. non-believers (ethnicity/nationality/language does not matter) and finally, there SHOULD be only one Dal-al-Islam...

Read more the writings of those leaders of Islam Brotherhood before further debating. It is not convenient for me to write any further.

BTW, 回回 is an ethnic concept, NOT a religious concept. We should learn their language, respect their customs, make friends with both Islam and non-Islam 回回s. But SHIELD THEM FROM WAHHABISM. Otherwise, China will learn bloody lessons!

我奶奶从上世纪50年代开始就参加地下教会，对这个问题我深有体会。

any bloody event as large as 7.5. in Xin Jiang?

Have your grandma EVER READ THE WHOLE BIBLE ONCE?

“海南海姓因出了个海瑞青天，名震天下，但人们对海瑞的海姓出自何处？来自何方？专家学者意见都不统一，有人认为海瑞的先祖是回族，有人认为海瑞是汉族。就连商务印书馆１９８９年版《辞海·海瑞》条目介绍，也说他是回族人。研究海瑞著名学者蒋星煜对海瑞是回族还是汉族，也持模棱两可的态度，他在《关于海瑞的民族，年岁，子嗣及墓葬》一文中，只说海瑞是“原广东南海卫籍，番禺人”。

　　笔者为了弄清海姓到底是汉族姓氏，还是回族姓氏，先后查阅了《中国名人大辞典》《百家姓起源》《中华姓氏源流考》等书籍，其中大多认为海氏先祖是回族人，迁琼海氏始祖海答儿是海瑞的五世祖，海答儿的先祖海俅就是南宋时定居广东番禺回族后裔。到了海瑞这一代，因其祖父和父亲都是娶汉族姑娘为妻，回汉合流，海姓遂成汉姓，海瑞也就成了回汉后裔。因此，笔者认为海南海氏是源自回族，经数百年的演变，海姓逐渐变成了今天的汉姓。今天的海南海氏后人，也大多认为自己是汉族姓氏，并不清楚自己的先祖是来自回族了。”