主题：cited article, 中国除了不断地说“不”之外 -- parishg
家园 北京共识也是外国人总结的吧 我不认为目前中国现有的模式可以谈得上是一个共识，或者说是普适的。从另外一个角度来看，如果中国能够有节制地使用自己的力量而不是走帝国主义的老路，那么就已经是一个巨大的贡献了。
家园 问题在于需要一个普世的玩意 首先需要有全世界的利益，这个中国做到了，其次要有保护这些利益的手段，这个中国还很远，现在连家门口的利益都不能大张旗鼓的保护和控制，而至于中东或者非洲基本上就是打酱油的水平。再次要有个普世理论，用来装门面和笼络人心，这个连影子还没有。
家园 Beijing consensus is also a Beijing consensus is also a propaganda term. Whatever the "definition" if there is ever one, it means one thing: economy over ideology. More specifically, democracy, freedom, human rights, and all those lofty goals are subordinate to the objective of economic growth rather than a overriding factor.
You talked about Dr/Cr adjustment lightly. So why the fuss of QE2? That is also a Dr/Cr adjustment, only at drastically larger scale?
The the rest, like you said, let's wait and see. I don't think it will take 10 years though.
家园 11111 天朝的经济奔腾依旧是建立在基本的人权和民主自由上面，出现农民工就意味着迁徙的自由化以及承认劳动是归属个人自我控制。私人企业是对个人创业自由的承认。这个东西鼎革已经写过了，万里风中虎已经谈过了。
经济第一 秩序优先 都不是什么新鲜的概念，玩过的人多了。如果不能提出一个有意义的执行方案，那么这个 共识 只不过是一个大家都不知道原因的中国现象。除了向大大小小云里雾里的第三世界国家提供一个图腾之外别无它物。苏联的计划经济和国有化的感染力全盛时代比今天 中国共识 的时髦值还要强得多，到头来依旧灰飞烟灭。华盛顿共识 骂名遍地，总不能说没有具体方案才是北京共识的最高明之处。
家园 不知道p大所说的tianjin是不是指天津。 如果是，那我可能要表示一下质疑。据我所知，胡少江从来也没在天津当过市长或者副市长。请p大查一查出处。
家园 为什么美国会在G20之前采取第二个动作？ 本来是压人民币升值变成了声讨美元的茶话会
最近去outlet，Columbia和Hugo Boss都打折了,从一个小侧面是否说明美国的经济又有很大毛病了?他们不得不提前QE2?
喊中国无人的洗洗睡吧,是现有的体制人不能尽其才罢了,如果河里的人还有社会底层的人能够在国内有公平的职业上升空间,情况会好很多
家园 的确，除了人口，中国远远算不上大国 现代著名的哲学家？dllama，刘晓波
著名文学家？高行健，韩寒
科学家？。。。
音乐家？。。。
能说出名字的都是一个又一个笑话。这样怎能算大国。
当然，我对前途还是有信心的，只是说现在，离所谓大国，所谓盛世还有距离。希望这多年的沉寂，是为了迎接太阳的到来。
家园 那是因为中国没有美国流氓【这里增加了对无耻p的新回复】 中国当然提出了自己的建议，作者由于屁股问题无视罢了。中国的建议就是发达国家应该向发展中国家转让技术来平衡贸易。能卖的你不卖，却来指责中国造成了贸易不平衡，这就是美国耍的无赖。争取平衡贸易的承诺是一个两面打板子的提法，难道就等于让中国控制经常帐盈余吗？发达国家转让高技术也能平衡贸易！
而中国主席胡锦涛则在峰会後静悄悄地返回了北京。这一句无耻的春秋笔法到底想暗示什么？实际上，胡从首尔去了日本参加亚太峰会。
另外，请楼主注明出处和提供链接。也请楼主在大陆论坛转载文章的时候，把繁体字全部转换成简体字。谢谢
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这个无耻的P大，彻底激怒了我。居然在回复了我之后把我屏蔽了来阻止我对他的回复！好吧，我就把我的回复写在这里吧。
This article is from a mainland website.那么，怎么解释那个繁体字“後”？
看他是如何回答我所说的中国要求发达国家转让技术来平衡贸易：
BTW, the largest surplus nation is not China, it is actually Germany. Another large surplus nation is Japan.Transfer of technology can not solve the problem for Germany and Japan.
他竟然忘了我这句是针对主贴中的这句：
美国指责中国政府利用操纵人民币来鼓励出口，从而“偷走”了其他国家的工作机会，并且导致世界经济的不平衡。那个天津市长的笑话就不说了。但是楼主口口声声说这篇东西来自大陆论坛，却仍然没有给出链接。
通宝推：寥天一孤雁,老树,家园 the author is former deputy mayor of Tianjing.
This article is from a mainland website.
中国的建议就是发达国家应该向发展中国家转让技术来平衡贸易。
-- it will not be enough to solve the trade imbalance problem.
BTW, the largest surplus nation is not China, it is actually Germany. Another large surplus nation is Japan.
Transfer of technology can not solve the problem for Germany and Japan. BTW, Germany's trade surplus mainly comes from PIIGs nations, not America.
The fundamental problem is a national currency should not serve as the global trade payment and global reserve currency. If USD continues to serve as the global reserve currency, the Triffin's dilemma is going to haunt America and the global financial system again in 20-30 years. One alternative is going back to gold standard. But the global gold reserve is not large enough for today's world.
Another fundamental problem: if we reform the current system, how to ensure that there will be no disruption in the global trade which will result in big contraction in each nation's GDP (just like in early 1930s)?
Any too dramatic change will have serious implication for China's unemployment rate and domestic stability.
You fail to capture the main point of the post.
China will sooner or later lead the world and China needs to propose a better system for the world. China needs talents who can reframe the global financial system and sell a better solution to ALL nations.
家园 胡少江的身份，p大请查证，此人应从未做过天津市的副市长。 家园 I see. Thanks. The mainland forum claims that he is a former deputy mayor.
Sorry, it is my overlook. I should have double checked on that.
家园 不知p大说的是哪一个网站，能否给个链接。 此人的文章只见于博客，其他网站多是转载。
家园 I saw that article from haiguinet. Some people claim that he was the former deputy mayor of Tianjin.
BTW, I do not care what is his current political affiliation. But he does raise a very good point for china: how to lead the world by proposing an alternative monetary system to replace the current Bretton Woods 2. To gain global leadership, one nation needs to give a better system to the world and to maintain prosperity and growth.
There is one very good economist article last week. I strongly recommend it here.
http://www.economist.com/node/17414511
It mentioned SDR, or gold standard again or other alternative design.
On this forum, there is too much curse and name-calling, but nobody seriously is proposing an innovative way to go out of the current dilemma. Any criticism of china, even a constructive one, is a big taboo here.