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  • 家园 这才是战略产业呢

    人民日报海外版报道,上海准备和联合国合作,在10万座平顶建筑的屋顶上,安装并网发电的太阳能发电系统,每套投资15万,发电量达30万千瓦。如果成功,可以解决一部分居民用电,而且可以降低夏季的屋顶温度,改善居住条件和空调开支。

    看来总投资要达到150亿人民币,不小的一笔开支,但是运行开支极小,只有维修开支,没有燃料和运输开支,长远经济效益应该是不错的。更重要的是,这开了一个好头。

    • 家园 太阳能目前还不适合大规模工业化使用

      在上海入海口建几座潮汐或者风能发电站倒是可行的,而且似乎从2000年已经开始小规模输电了

    • 家园 Low-cost lamps brighten the future of rural India

      If India can do, I believe China can do the same.

      Source: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2006-01-02-solar-light-india_x.htm

      The text is here:

      Posted 1/2/2006 6:22 PM Updated 1/2/2006 6:33 PM

      Low-cost lamps brighten the future of rural India

      By Anuj Chopra, The Christian Science Monitor

      KHADAKWADI, India — Until just three months ago, life in this humble village without electricity would come to a grinding halt after sunset. Inside his mud-and-clay home, Ganpat Jadhav's three children used to study in the dim, smoky glow of a kerosene lamp. And when their monthly fuel quota of four liters dried up in just a fortnight, they had to strain their eyes using the light from a cooking fire.

      That all changed with the installation of low-cost, energy-efficient lamps that are powered entirely by the sun.

      "Children can now study at night, elders can manage their chores better," says Mr. Jadhav. "Life doesn't halt anymore when darkness falls."

      The innovative lights were installed by the Grameen Surya Bijli Foundation (GSBF), a Bombay-based non-governmental organization focused on bringing light to rural India. Some 100,000 Indian villages do not yet have electricity. The GSBF lamps use LEDs — light emitting diodes — that are four times more efficient than an incandescent bulb. After a $55 installation cost, solar energy lights the lamp free of charge.

      LED lighting, like cellphones, is another example of a technology whose low cost could allow the rural poor to leapfrog into the 21st century.

      As many as 1.5 billion people — nearly 80 million in India alone — light their houses using kerosene as the primary lighting media. The fuel is dangerous, dirty, and — despite being subsidized — consumes nearly 4% of a typical rural Indian household's budget. A recent report by the Intermediate Technology Development Group suggests that indoor air pollution from such lighting media results in 1.6 million deaths worldwide every year.

      LED lamps, or more specifically white LEDS, are believed to produce nearly 200 times more useful light than a kerosene lamp and almost 50 times the amount of useful light of a conventional bulb.

      "This technology can light an entire rural village with less energy than that used by a single conventional 100 watt light bulb," says Dave Irvine-Halliday, a professor of electrical engineering at the University of Calgary, Canada and the founder of Light Up the World Foundation (LUTW). Founded in 1997, LUTW has used LED technology to bring light to nearly 10,000 homes in remote and disadvantaged corners of some 27 countries like India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bolivia, and the Philippines.

      The technology, which is not yet widely known in India, faces some skepticism here.

      "LED systems are revolutionizing rural lighting, but this isn't a magic solution to the world's energy problems," says Ashok Jhunjhunwala, head of the electrical engineering department at the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras.

      In a scenario in which nearly 60% of India's rural population uses 180 million tons of biomass per year for cooking via primitive wood stoves — which are smoky and provide only 10-15% efficiency in cooking — Jhunjhunwala emphasizes the need for a clean energy source, not just for lighting but for other domestic purposes as well.

      The Indian government in April launched an ambitious project to bring electricity to 112,000 rural villages in the next decade. However, the remote locations of the village will make reaching this goal difficult. A.K. Lakhina, the chairman of India's Rural Electrification Corporation, says the Indian government recognizes the potential of LED lighting powered by solar technology, but expressed reservations about its high costs. "If only LEDs weren't imported but manufactured locally," he says, "and in bulk."

      At $55 each, the lamps installed in nearly 300 homes by GSBF cost nearly half the price of other solar lighting systems. Jasjeet Singh Chaddha, the founder of the NGO, currently imports his LEDs from China.

      He wants to set up an LED manufacturing unit and a solar panel manufacturing unit in India. If manufactured locally, the cost of his LED lamp could plummet to $22, as they won't incur heavy import duties. "But we need close to $5 million for this," he says. "And investments are difficult to come by."

      Mr. Chaddha says he has also asked the government to exempt the lamps from such duties, but to no avail.

      An entrepreneur who made his money in plastics, Chaddha has poured his own money into the project, providing the initial installations free of charge. As he looks to make the project self-sustainable, he recognizes that it's only urban markets — which have also shown an avid interest in LED lighting — that can pay. The rural markets in India can't afford it, he says, until the prices are brought down.

      The rural markets would be able to afford it, says Mr. Irvine-Halliday, if they had access to micro-credit. He says that in Tembisa, a shanty town in Johannesburg, he found that almost 10,000 homes spent more than $60 each on candles and paraffin every year. As calculations revealed, these families can afford to purchase a solid state lighting system in just over a year of paying per week what they would normally spend on candles and paraffin — if they have access to micro-credit.

      LUTW is in the process of creating such a micro-credit facility for South Africa. "Then more than 4 million homes in South Africa will be able to afford this lighting system," he says.

      In villages neighboring Khadakwadi, the newly installed LED lamps are a subject of envy, even for those connected to the grid. Those connected to the grid have to face power cuts up to 6 or 7 hours a day. Constant energy shortages and blackouts are a common problem due to a lack of power plants, transmission, and distribution losses caused by old technology and illegal stealing of electricity from the grid.

      LED systems require far less maintenance, a longer life, and as villagers jokingly say, "no electricity bills."

      The lamps provided by GSBF have enough power to provide just four hours of light a day. But that's enough for people to get their work done in the early hours of the night, and is more reliable than light generated off India's electrical grid.

      Villagers are educated by GSBF officials to make the most of the new lamps. An official from GSBF instructs Jadhav and his family to clean the lamp regularly. "Its luminosity and life will diminish if you let the dust settle on it," he warns them.

      Such admonishments aren't taken lightly by villagers here, lest they be thrust into darkness again. The villagers don't fail to acknowledge how these lamps have lit up their dark lives and reversed their fortunes.

      Before the LED lamps came, spending Rs. 40 (a little less than a dollar) each month on kerosene was too much. Jadhav earns just Rs. 50 a day as a contract laborer, and supports a family of five. "Now the money saved," he says with a smile, "goes into the children's education."

      Copyright 2006, The Christian Science Monitor

    • 家园 上海的气候感觉不太适合太阳能

      晴天时间太少,在海边多建风力潮汐之类的发电才是正道吧?

    • 家园 对此消息的真实性深表怀疑

      上海现在没有听说过要大规模铺开搞什么太阳能发电,倒是在大规模搞平改坡建设,所谓平改坡,就是把我们中国城市普遍建设的大量兵营式平顶居民楼,加盖坡顶,类似于中国传统建筑的屋顶,既隔热防雨,改善顶楼居民生活,又使大量的陈旧房屋外观涣然一新,美化市容。

      这是上海在世博会前的重要城市建设工程,每年要改建房顶两千万平方米。

      这样一来,就不可能大规模搞太阳能发电项目了。

      • 家园 平改坡? 不还是折腾吗

        说防雨,平顶采用好的防雨材料的话,一样没问题啊. 而且还有更新的问题, 坡顶一样要定期维护(比如10年一次),而坡要比平的更新面积大多了呀.

        而隔热的问题,如果利用平的优势,安装集能供热的话,一样可以起到一定效果,而且还能供热.

        希望这不会又是形象工程.

        • 家园 不完全是形象问题,

          上海的许多老房子,结构不合理,房间也不大.到了夏天,住在顶楼的,简直就是一个活蒸笼.到了冬天,又成了小冰窖.如果不改成坡,住楼顶的起码一个房间要放一台空调,还要不停地开.上海的电本来也就不够.现在这样做了,是政府掏钱,双方都受益的事情.

          其实不光是上海,至少一直到南京这一线的房子,我看都有这种问题,都应该改.叫我现在在那里买房子,我还是会楼顶和一楼的肯定不要.

          • 家园 还是形象问题

            平改坡,没有改变现有房屋的布局,原来不通风的地方还是不通风。

            • 家园 但是隔热效果好了很多,改善了很多啊.

              上平顶老房子的楼顶,你就能看到,隔热层是很薄的,在三伏天和寒冬的时候,住楼顶的很苦.加了坡隔热空间立刻大了很多,对楼顶住户实在是大福音.

              还有就是一楼,如果不是老房子不好弄,真是应该在一楼下面挖地下室并略加高.不然在梅雨季节,一楼的水泥地返潮极厉害,木头地板要处理不好,也会很快烂掉.加高还可以加强防各种小爬虫的功能.

              我后来在深圳看到一些新房子,都已经注意到这些问题.

              • 家园 顶楼冷热问题不单单是因为屋顶的缘故阿

                同样是顶楼,冬天位于中间的房间就比两端的温度稍高。还有就是墙壁的厚度与材料问题,砖混造、水泥造、砖造,不同材料结构房间的冷热程度也不同。

                至于你说的一楼问题,不是单纯挖地下室就能解决的,地下室的通风取暖如果考虑不周,到了冬天的话一楼会变得很冷(俺原来住的楼房地下有防空洞,到了冬天一楼什么样子还是知道的)。解决返潮问题,一是加上隔热材料和吸水材料;二是将一楼地面抬高10~20厘米左右,同时在抬高部位的墙壁上开通风口以便散去水汽。

                • 家园 呵呵, 自然是不同房间,温度会不同,

                  但是同一个房间,加顶肯定比不加顶住得要舒服点.现在的旧房改造是在还以前的不良设计的债.旧房的设计对楼顶和楼底的住户的考虑实在是不周到.

        • 家园 就是形象工程,所谓为房子“穿衣戴帽”
    • 家园 其实发电量没多少,一年下来能电费能节省100块就不错了。
    • 家园 太阳能发电成本仍高于传统方式

      考虑到太阳能电池的生产成本和寿命,折合下来发一度电要比用煤贵二至三倍。即使在强调环保的北美,太阳能发电眼下也只是做做样子而已,在高速公路的路灯旁架几个电池,白天发电,存起来晚上照明。

      我感觉这个工程里有猫腻,恐怕又给了很多人发财的机会。

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