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家园 这种“你有什么资格批评……”的说法很流行啊

从民主、经济、人权、公平这些本来争议就多的话题,到飞机、技术这些本来应该不用争议的话题,只要对西方或者发达国家有所质疑,就引来一堆“你有什么资格批评……”。这多见于中国网络,但“从追求观念完全走向保持 “沉默”的新闻专业主义”的安替也不能免俗。这首先从逻辑上讲就是不通的,如果人家不是在做中西方关于某一方面的比较,就不存在“你有什么资格批评……”的问题;其次,“憋了半天,骂了一句五毛”是彻底的非专业主义,简直就是堕落,他还好意思出来说?

家园 现在,骂别人5毛也算是独立思考人士们的自我表扬方式了
家园 【讨论】我们也想获取更多信息

我们也想获取更多关于这名学生的信息,可惜安替在沟通中没有透露。不过,感谢您的指正,题目我会修改一下。如果还能编辑的话。。

家园 貌似毛粉们用这种逻辑更多
家园 不管是说西方还是说俄罗斯,都会来这一套

反正要是说任何国家不好,都可以扯到“你有什么资格……”

家园 前几天讨论老毛的时候这个句式也出现了

资格论不太好,不过似乎是一种通常的辩护手段。

说话的人主要想表达的不是真假对错,而是尊卑贵贱。

家园 你统计过吗?

貌似。一个“貌似”足以颠倒黑白了。貌似你素质很差,貌似你不可理喻,貌似你一直靠美分在混。可以这么说吗?如果你真的认为毛粉用这种逻辑更多,那就先要界定一下毛粉的定义,还有伪自由主义者的定义,然后说明你统计的方法和过程,用统计结果说话。你这种“貌似”跟安替的破口大骂一个路子。

家园 骂人五毛,就可以堂而皇之的封杀别人的权利

这难道就是某些人追求的普世价值?我看他们其实要的只是自己的自由民主,对于侵犯他利益的人,扣个帽子合理封杀,这样就不违背他们追求的普世价值,然后著书论说为自己的行为辩护:“那些人都是咎由自取,全是左棍、五毛、推手、愤青,所以我要封杀他们的一切权利”。

这样搞下来,他们的行为不就跟他们所反对的是一路货色了么。

家园 中国人和西方人的最大区别就是

西人对自己一点都不了解的话题,照样敢于提出教训似的观点,而中国人对于自己理应发表观点的话题,都觉得没有资格……

家园 不要抵黄嘛。
家园 五毛应该是个光荣的头衔。

发个贴就算100字吧(这个不算长吧),只拿五毛钱,那所谓的“五毛”就跟志愿者差不多了。如果不提供食宿,那比志愿者还志愿了。

100个子5毛,1000字5元,就算一小时输完吧,那每小时工资5元,一天40元,一个月以22天计就是880,也就是无业人员的最低保障高点吧。如果算上构思成本,一个月也就600多点吧。现在干什么工作会比这个工资低?应该算志愿者了。

家园 他们本身就是他们反对的那些。只不过,硬是把自己的问题帖的

别人脸上了

家园 贴一篇google来的anti的文章

外链出处

The Freedom of Chinese Internet Users is Not a Slave Girl of the Americans

A statement regarding the proposed information bill to be submitted to the U.S. Congress

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Translated by The Washington Post Beijing Bureau

Sunday, February 19, 2006; 6:54 PM

The following was posted on "Anti's Blog" on Feb. 17, 2006, by Zhao Jing:

Before the U.S. Congressional hearings on the cooperation of four large Internet companies (Microsoft, Google, Yahoo and Cisco) with the Chinese government opened, I stated that I thought this had nothing to do with us, that it was the Americans' own affairs. When those of us who deeply love freedom use ourselves to promote freedom of expression for our compatriots, we never think that the Chinese people's right to free speech needs the protection of the U.S. Congress. I write all of my blog entries in Chinese. Each sentence is directed for my compatriots to understand. I have no interest in playing to the interests of foreign readers.

I have always had a kind of strong belief: A country is great because even in its darkest and most trying days, there are young people who love this land, and who are absolutely unwilling to give up their pursuit of the dream of freedom, democracy, peace and prosperity for the nation. This kind of dream is not bestowed upon us by some United States. We can only realize this kind of dream ourselves. Only Chinese people can preserve the hope of struggling in the face of a hopeless political situation. Only Chinese people can continue to have faith that the polluted river will be cleaned.

This is our country; this is our land. We must make China free, democratic, peaceful and prosperous because this is where we and our children belong. The failure of China is the failure of our entire lives. Fortune has no favorites in troubled times. A citizen of a failed country, no matter where he or she goes, will suffer the discrimination of others. When foreigners use "autocratic" to describe China, I feel deep humiliation as a Chinese. This kind of shame, one remembers for the rest of his life.

This is the reason for the explosion of free expression by Chinese journalists and bloggers. Since we lack freedom of the press, we as individuals need to make great efforts to help our compatriots believe that we have a beautiful future.

This emotion and pain might not be understood by foreigners. For the U.S. Congress to hold a hearing on the freedom of Internet information of Chinese, this is indeed an issue for the American people. But the bill to be submitted about freedom of Internet information treats the freedom of Chinese Internet users as a slave girl to be dressed as you please.

The bill includes the following: American companies will face large fines if they assist in blocking information broadcast by the U.S. government (such as the Congressional human rights report, Voice of America and Radio Free Asia), and the people responsible will be imprisoned. People with the least bit of common sense know that this immediately implies the withdrawal of the Internet services of companies like Google and Microsoft from the Chinese market. Then we could only use wretched Baidu, domestic blog service providers brimming with keyword censorship and email boxes that can be monitored at any time.

I can't help but ask: Mr. Congressmen, this bill of yours, is it meant to protect the freedom of information of Internet users, including the Chinese, or is it meant to protect the freedom of information of the U.S. government? If it is the former, why is it that after being "protected" we will be deprived of freedom? If the latter, why are you using the freedom of information of Chinese Internet users to make your point?

Companies like Microsoft and Google have won much freedom of information for Chinese Internet users in recent years. That today they have begun to compromise is not only humiliation for Americans, but also for the Chinese people. The way for Americans to solve this problem is that these companies must observe a moral bottom line and shoulder greater responsibilities, because not only do you need the Chinese market, but China also needs American companies. Your negotiating position is not weakening but strengthening. What Chinese Internet users need is the gradual increase of freedoms.

But Capitol Hill gentlemen who see things in black and white dredged up an absurd "compromise means withdrawal" bill, treating the freedom of Chinese Internet users for a slave girl to dress up however you please. This again proves: The Chinese themselves are the only people who can fight for their rights and freedoms.

The real way to resolve the situation of the blocking of the Chinese Internet is for all Chinese youth with a bit of conscience to exercise and expand our freedoms every day, and protest blocking and suppression in any sense. Because this is the country we love, no one hopes for her freedom more than we do. I am proud to be your compatriot.

Finally, at the end of this statement, I will explain again: the American companies mentioned above are companies like Microsoft and Google. I am absolutely not referring to Yahoo. For a guy that sells out information like Yahoo, the crime cannot be pardoned. If the company collapsed immediately, or beat it from China forever, that would be the good fortune of Chinese Internet users.

家园 因为他们有“伟大”的“是非观”做武器

人挡杀人、佛挡杀佛

无往而不利也

这反面教员做的,怪不得太祖要感谢日本的侵略、感谢艾奇逊、感谢杜鲁门呢

还好中国尚有,许多自带干粮的“五毛”

遍观中国大地,这自带干粮的“五毛”众,不知该夸之,还是入之。。。

家园 学生毕业,找论文,然后安替既然是学校老师(客座)

学校安排安某人当论文指导老师,是很正常的啊

看你这狡辩的样子,好“可爱”哦。。。

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