主题:到底有没有人体经络系统? -- 迷惑不解
没懂啊,除了医院产科,还哪儿咱们肯定都待过?
《经络学说是经脉医学体系的异化》,河里不知道有没有。
里面对经络学说的评价我觉得对于如何认识中医真是极有帮助。
经络学说对经脉医学系统的生硬改造,不仅让古人费神,误将俞跗“割皮解肌,抉脉结筋”的外科操作(对于古人而言,从来不缺少外科操作的现实需求),误读为寻找形态学意义上的经络的行为,更让现代科学研究争论百出,不得其要:有大量研究记录能证实经脉现象客观存在,却找不到经络实质!其实经脉现象是人体在特定条件下客观存在的综合呈现的生理病理现象,其核心并不在实体通道的经络,而在于应激开放的功能通道,类似于组织液的定向向心流动及植物神经系统的功能调整。
深深赞同赵洪钧所著《回眸与反思》中说:“经络学说主要不是为满足针灸实践的理论需要,它主要是为了说明人体怎样形成一个有机联系的整体.....这个学说,基本上不能解释针灸效应或针灸为什么能治病。”经脉医学系统能非常有效的指导临床,带来捷效,有着深刻的科学价值,完全能应对现代科学研究的挑刺,可惜,世人被经络学说误导成对经络实质通道的探求,成为被误批的对象。
经络学说从古至今有着大量的外行或业内拥趸,除却《灵枢.经脉篇》的误导,还与道家有着巨大关联,至今大量传统医学爱好者秉持着“静坐内视”发现经络通道的理论,正是来源于此。去年“打通任督二脉”的报道引发网络及媒体热议,季子看到那些所谓支持任督二脉的业内人士在说着能切身感受到气血督升任降的气脉流动,深表理解并同情,理解的是,他们描述的“气脉流动感”确实是他们的亲身体验,同情的是这种“气脉流动感”仅仅是他们长期自我暗示后形成的幻觉!好比当年接触**功的气功爱好者,一周时间内,就能真切感受到腹部有**在转,并提供源源不断的能量.......季子在大学期间,接触此类人群较多,也常为此陷入迷思,不得其解,直到有天豁然开朗,获得感言一则:“世上最简单的事之一,就是控制人的思想”!虽然时到今日,季子自身已接受“轮回”思想,但依然批判这种自我暗示形成的“我执”!
手太阴肺经出问题的时候,病应该已经很重,必须吃药了,针灸能有多少作用呢?
每个人的经络线,都可以用电物理的方法非常精确的测出来。他们测了多人的结果,都和中国古人的总结非常一致。
至于经络背后的生物和物理原因,我不是做这行的,不知道他是否有假说和更深入的研究,你要深究自己去查他或者他学生的论文吧。
经络就是大海上的航线,经络就是太空中的轨道。其实经络还可以用一个更形象的东西来表象:现代办公楼里隔间中间的通道,一旦拆除隔间(解剖)就消失了的存在。
办公楼中的通道,起着重要的内部交通和通风的作用,通风不良是现代大型建筑中冷热不均的罪魁祸首,而人体中的经络如果发生局部堵塞,则会引起局部温度升高,甚或引起该部位肌体病变,严重的可以造成全系统的功能障碍。
人体是由一堆器官和肌肉群组成的,它们应该不是亲密无间的,所以会形成通道,无论这通道多么细微。这些通道是容易被堵塞的,因为人体器官肌肉都是柔软的、有弹性的、有粘性的。一旦弹性减弱,堵塞就是经常性的了。
经络中流动的是气,就像办公楼走廊中流动的是空气一样。这些气的流动保证了人体的恒温,保证了人体肌肉器官即使在相对封闭的环境中也能有正常的气交换,从而保证了他们能够健康正常地工作几十年。想想一个通风不良的工作环境,会损害多少工作人员的身体健康?
人类生命的三要素:食物、水和空气(氧气)。食物和水都是我们看得见摸得着的,而且一旦短缺我们还能撑一段时间,所以我们的意识中是牢牢地记住了它们的重要性的。只有空气,无影无踪。没有了它,我们大概只能存活几分钟。而这几分钟是无法让我们的头脑有任何镌刻的记忆的。因此虽然我们成天谈论空气的重要性,但在任何和人体有关的话题中都不会有任何严肃且深刻的探讨。其实,加入气的元素,中医就是系统工程的杰作。
用什么工具艾灸?怎么做?
自己艾灸还是请医生和美容店帮忙?
谢谢!
一、电激发的机械探测法:隐性循经感传线
二、皮肤电阻抗测试法:经络的低电阻特性循经低阻线
三、叩击声音探测法:经络的高振动声特性循经高振动线
前面有人说80年代看电视讲经络实验,还有人说用热感材料测经络的实验,热感材料可能是他记错了,就是皮肤电阻抗测法,应该都是指介绍祝总骧实验的电视节目,当时我妈要看这个节目,不让我看动画片,所以我记得很清楚。
祝总骧还因此得了国家的科技奖,但是关键的问题是,这么多年过去了,谁重复了他们的实验吗?
包括中医界,谁敢用他的“成果”?
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包括中医界,谁敢用他的“成果”?
或者说,还是因为中医经络本身不重要,所以没人有兴趣有资源去重复他们的工作?
当年有次机会在会上我问过韩济生,他们做针灸镇痛的.他说在手臂尺桡神经都截断的患者身上,进行肢端远端针灸镇痛,是有效果的.
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坚持用英文发言是表达不屑于和我讨论吧。----no, sorry for that misunderstanding;
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"在没有外部刺激的情况下,大脑直接形成热觉、冷觉、痛觉等感觉,这一点,各气功大师们早就运用的炉火纯青"
经络 as a "人体声子系统":
kind of like 原子相互作用系统/晶格系统, where 声子系统 is essentially a "集体" kind of thing
sort of why we need to have 气功大师 or other Chinese traditional medicine 大师 to work with a person together to invoke his or her 经络 as a "人体声子系统", to have some effective treatment.
again, for the said reasons, this is all guess, hard to 实验, it is even hard to model a "人体声子系统", because among other issues, 人体 is not a 絕熱 system, and most of qm system or 量子 system is modeled with 绝热 assumption etc.
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人体 is not a 絕熱 system, and we spend tons of energy in seeking good information "food' in social science field, and good information "food" in social science is basically monopoly-controlled and distributed by the various elite groups in US, and by political elite group in china, mostly among themselves.
this is kind of why "real" social science can not be learned in the classroom from textbooks, the way physics can be learned, although physics does require quite bit of hands on lab work.
the "real" social science is still a 人传人 business, the way it has been ever since 阶级斗争为纲, and 阶级斗争为纲 is nothing but a 達爾文遊戲 (優生列存, normal) for an human society;
goog/fb etc wants to "innovate" it by building a global information processing network, with most of those information processing likely in the social science area:
an area with huge inefficiencies and huge profit margin for 气功大师 of various kind of social sciences. goog/fb want to break into and socialize those private 气功大师 network. of course, that way, goog/fb takes some money from those 气功大师 by cutting into 气功大师 profit margin of doing social science 气功 work.
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the Indians and Chinese 身心入境远离尘世间 of past 5k years is basically trying to be a 量子绝热 system, then you could be U(1) or unitary living forever system, using very little or no energy at all.
a real case as broadcasted by BBC
an 印度人不吃不喝, video monitored by 印度 army (they try to learn something from him) for several months (or for years according to his friends), he is basically in some kind of 量子绝热 system, relying possibly some kind of 声子 coming into his mind & body from some where, a guess.
but, that is hard for us Chinese, we Chinese don't really have a religion system, we love 尘世间 life, woman, children, money, official & social titles, the more the better, we try to live longer because we want to have more and more, and enjoy longer and longer.
then, why not? as long as we are happy(:).
and then goog/fb come and kind of saying: my global AI/information system will let you to have a much much better chance to 成长进步 and become some kind of 气功师 in an area where you can out perform others, with the value you contributed being recognized by market place/society, and we will let you prove yourself and shine in a global platform;
otherwise, if not logged on to my global platform, your chance of becoming a successful 气功师 at your age and your place is very small, and smaller as everyday goes by, if not zero already.
what do you think, buddy?
OMG, why you did not tell me last year? let's go, get me on that damned global platform, right now, tell me how much I have to pay (nothing, just be exposed to advertising(:)):
I want trying any chance to become successful. and obviously, only by trying globally in a platform with most players, you may have a chance of hitting a good luck.
now, all these uncle sam's 人本主義 (life is short, my brother, what to do?), 自由 民主 市場 start making sense to you?
OMG, then for TG: how to 争夺 Chinese 青少年 with GOOG/FB's powerful platform, what if they broadcast into TGchina's mainland uncle sam's 顏色革命 signals from 太空? as to those foreign 青少年, TG does not care, enough headache inside china already.
now, what kind of starting model can you provide to chairman X's ideology team(:) as something to start a meeting? and don't give me any BS stuff of all kinds of 革命口號, wasting chairman's time. he is very busy(:).
觉得去医院太麻烦;去美容店,哼哼,她们还没我知道的多呢。
过程嘛,就是淘宝了一堆艾炙条悬炙,后来胆子大起来也用了一点艾绒直接炙。 具体来说就是准备好接炙灰的小盘子,火柴或是小蜡烛,开窗,打开电视机,就一边看电视一边炙啦。除了炙感很强烈的时候会嗷嗷叫,其它时间都是很放松很开心的。
说起来简单,其实最关键的是要知道炙哪里。我一方面是当时症状比较明显,能大致确认是哪条经脉有问题;另外也确实认真看了不少中医方面的书, 心里大概有谱;还有一点是循序渐进,炙一段时间之后观察自己身体的反应以确认方向。从这个角度来说,如果能不断咨询医生是会很有帮助的,到底专业经验是基于大样本量的观察。不过我所遇到过的西医基本全部对此大惊小怪,哈哈。
牵扯到许多类似的问题,看到这种辩论就觉得好玩,有呀无呀,无呀有呀。。。其实很简单,比如喜欢画的书法的,喜欢用气呀韵呀骨呀啥的说。。。不感兴趣的,就是黑黑白白的画,黑黑白白的字而已,但进入这里面的就有这些共性的认识。。。但这些共性的认识恰恰是离不开个人自己的身心体验。。。
经络也一样,真想验证,学学气功站桩太极中医国学书法啥的。。开始折腾这些东东了,气呀血呀经络呀身呀心呀啥的,都离不开了。。不折腾这些,那就是吃吃草、扎扎针、扭扭腿、傻傻的装树而已。。。
所言甚是,自己的身心体验才是关键。我大概已经知道了所谓经络是怎么回事了。。。