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  • 家园 【原创】【讨论】耶鲁女博士被美帝警察乱枪射杀

    这两天铺天盖地的都是俄乌战争新闻,但还是有一条海华相关新闻短暂占据了头条。

    加州华裔女子拒接驱逐令持刀对峙警察被枪杀

    事件录像:Critical Incident Video - Little Italy

    《圣地亚哥联合论坛报》当地时间3月11日报道,美国加州圣地亚哥治安官办公室当天公布了一段3月3日的执法视频,当地警方在执行法院驱逐令时,与作为屋主的47岁的华裔女子李艳(音译:Yan Li)发生冲突。李艳在对峙过程中手持菜刀刺伤警察,现场警察连开数枪将其击毙。

    当地一位民权律师观看录像后表示,该女子袭击了执法人员,警察枪击是合法的。但警察在选择枪击前的执法过程应该被批评,“这是冲突不必要升级导致警察合法枪击的一个典型例子。”

    从视频看,冲突的直接起因是警察给 Yan Li 送收回房舍通知书(在加州,这个通知书并不是让其立刻走人,根据情况有三天到六十天的缓冲期),Yan Li 怀疑其身份并与之口角。当时 Yan Li 手中拿了一把平头菜刀(据网上说正在做饭),结果警察立马掏枪要其放下菜刀。对峙一阵后,Yan Li 扔掉通知书,把门关掉。

    按照一般情况,事情到此就结束了。但警察不依不饶,在 Yan Li 退回屋子并关闭房门后,居然向警局呼叫支援,并说 “She is Barricaded ”(蹲点拘捕)。结果来了一堆警察(14名警员)。

    警察冲入屋中后先用橡皮子弹(Bean Bag)向她射击,但似乎没什么效果。Yan Li 拿了一把尖头菜刀向外跑,在门口捅了挡路的警犬和警察。于是遭到警察乱枪射击,身中十多枪,当场被射杀。

    网上信息:

    Johnny G 2d POST FROM NEXTDOOR:

    https://nextdoor.com/p/yNLbJ5hnYrB-?utm_source=share&extras=MTAwMTA2NTA=

    Ms. Yan Li was a graduate of Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, with a Doctorate in Biostatistics. She worked years at Pharmaceutical and Biotech companies. It is so sad. Please watch the movie a "Beautiful Mind" to understand the struggles an American mathematician John Nash, a Nobel Laureate in Economics, had with the same mental issues that Yan Li battled with in her life. She was a beautiful mind and her son Derrick grieves for her while at his studies at UC, Berkeley.

    Prayers for Yan Li, she was killed at Acqua Vista and lived in Unit 503. Her mental illness was difficult for her to manage and she tried and tried but never got the help she needed from the HOA or others. I spoke to the Sheriffs before they killed her and I said that force is not the only answer. Please wait for a Psychologist but they chose to go in without dialog. I am so sad because she did not need to die yesterday. Her son at UC Berkeley is grieving for her and can't understand why no one at the HOA called him before the eviction.

    Yan Li 是耶鲁大学博士,专业是生物统计。儿子在读加大伯克利分校。她住的这个区是在圣地亚哥的 Little Italy 区。是不错的旅游/住宅区。离开海湾步行只要十分钟。区里类似她的 Condo 市场价格在70万-80万美元。

    这个新闻还有另一个转折。Yan Li 之所以被驱逐是因为她似乎欠了物业费。于是居民物业委员会(Home Owner Association) 决定把她的房子卖了抵债。前面说过,区里类似她的 Condo 市场价格在70万-80万美元。但是物业把她的房子只卖了 3万美元的低价(从原文中看,Yan Li 当初付了30万买房)。物业委员会曾经开会否决了强制卖掉她的房子。据物业委员会的财务说,在否决决定作出后,物业委员会又突然在他缺席的情况下紧急开会决定卖掉她的房子。

    下面是原文:

    Q: Do we know why Ms. Li was being evicted? That is not a rapid process.

    A:The HOA sold a lien for HOA dues to a Vulture Investor, Home Expo Financial, Inc and the Seabreeze Management and the HOA just wanted her gone so the Sheriff was called and told that she was threatening the Staff at Seabreeze. I tried to stop them and had a plan to help her but they held an illegal emergency meeting without notifying me the Treasurer. We voted to not do this 24 hours earlier.(edited)

    Q: So, you’re a voting member of the HOA that voted against this action, but they did so regardless of the vote?

    A: I was Treasurer and voting member. A vote was held to not sell it and the the HOA Lawyer and Seabreeze manager convinced the HOA president to call an emergency meeting, violation of By Laws without notice to me a voting member. They voted to sell Lien for $32,000. To Vulture Investor. I protested that it was an illegal meeting and they ratified their bad actions. 😓(edited)

    ----- Nextdoor needs an angry emoji. This sounds very illegal and should be considered a reason for what led up to her being viciously killed. Where was a person with training in mental illnesses? Not being implemented yet? The City has a hand in what went wrong as well.(edited) ------- They sent numerous Pert teams to our building for one tenant we had. Makes me wonder as well. ---------- I heard about this & believe that other action could have been taken with someone with mental illness & who was being forced out of her home. Why couldn''''t a stun gun have been used? Just sad. ------ Two female Sheriff Deputies had TAZERS but the Sheriff in charged called in for SDPD Canine Unit. Ms Li was terrified of all dogs. She had kitchen knife and lunged at the Canine officer and wounded him and then the bullets from guns flew out of control. So Sad. I asked the Lead Guy to wait for the PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM (PERT) with a Psychologist, but they did not wait.(edited) ----------- sounds like they were pretty determined to get her out of the unit by all means possible…this is so tragic and unnecessary. Another life lost for a profit motive… ----------- This should never have been handled this way. At all.

    ---------- I was on the HOA Board and I tried to stop the other Board members from selling Yan Li''''s lien to a Vulture Investor who is due to steal $300,000 of Yan Li''''s equity she paid in to her condo. The 4 male members of the HOA did this in an emergency meeting without me being notified. I told them to reverse the action and they would not. I spoke to the Sheriff Deputies and the female Deputies tried to allow me to help but their leader got angry with me trying to help. He said I needed to back up. I said please don''''t kill her and wait for the PER Team. He chose to use force after I told him that force was not the only answer.

    Everyone did not do what they could.. The HOA did not provide the Sheriff Deputies with the emergency contact information. The HOA and Seabreeze Managment did not help. They deleted her emergency contact information. They sold the property out from under Yan Li and did not attempt to get help from local mental health professionals. I did but I was not allowed to have any information about her even when I was on the Board. No one did all they could.

    I offered to pay that versus selling it to a Vulture Investor to steal her $300,000 equity while she was sick. I was on the Board and the Treasurer of the HOA and the 4 other male members held an illegal meeting in violation of the ByLaws to sell it to the Vulture Investor. Would you want this to happen to your Mother or Sister?

    I was on the Board and the Treasurer at the time and we voted to not sell the lien and the next day the President Daniel Torres called an emergency meeting. That next day meeting, they did not invite me or reach me, which was illegal. I asked them to reverse their action and they refused and ratified the previous illegal meeting actions. I protested and they retaliated against me. I tired to save her life and they wanted some un-holy deal that the HOA attorney brought to them. I saw it as illegal. Hence their efforts to retaliate against me. --------

    所以这是“谋财害命”?

    类似华人被美帝警察打死并不是第一次。例如 2009 年在旧金山就发生过 旧金山华人为何遭警射杀

    只不过这次事件中的华人学历更高,收入貌似也更多,社会地位也更高。

    然并卵,美帝警察照打不误。

    这让我想起几年前的“徐纯合事件”。当时写了个帖子徐纯和事件与母女在派出所“发飙”,说“徐纯和事件是个悲剧。警察或许并没有故意杀他的意图。但是这个例子是不能推广的。否则我们将来就要时时生活在被警察“一枪击毙”的阴影中了。毕竟坐地铁,坐公交,坐火车的大多都是屌丝,只不过我们这些屌丝没沦落到徐纯和那个底层世界而已。”

    当时很多“高华”们,尤其是在爱吱声的一些“高华”们觉得自己绝对不是屌丝,也不会沦落为屌丝,于是对徐纯合破口大骂,认为他死有余辜。同时还举出美国的例子来说哦警察只要受到威胁就可以开枪杀人。那么这些高华们最好现在再想一想,是不是还要支持警察动不动把人一枪击毙。

    一叹。

    通宝推:西安笨老虎,桥上,任爱杰,铁手,

    本帖一共被 2 帖 引用 (帖内工具实现)
    • 家园 【讨论】有些不能略过的细节

      第一,所欠物业费达3万多,时间不短,期间应该可以解决问题。第二,HOA拍卖房子3万,这是正常操作。HOA只管追讨所欠部分,并不考虑房子到底值多少,亏了还是赚了。第三,本来她从警察手里接过那张通知,事情就结束,后面是走法律程序。可是她与警察争执,不放下手中刀,再把通知丢出门外,关门。

      从她这些举动,我实在不能理解她是怎么在美国读书就职的,而且是名校和大公司。

    • 家园 【原创】9个理由告诉你,美国为何依旧伟大

      我来我来,给美帝洗地,我是专业的

      (河友:你丫不是投奔扑妹熊了吗)

      不是,是这样事儿滴,美帝不是还有少妇伊万卡吗,

      俺寻思俺还是应该不忘初心,

      所以我又在心里手按圣经了。

      编归正传,

      ---------------9个理由告诉你,美国为何依旧伟大--------------

      1、一个警察去敲门送通知:

      这说明美国治安普遍很好,才敢把挑明矛盾(送达通知)的事儿交给一个警察,而不是一群警察。这样一来,他们既为纳税人节约了每一美分,更是让自己的执法过程显得更加平易近人,从而给对方减少心理压力!

      2、没有第一时间开枪:

      这说明美国警察在执法过程中普遍保持了最大克制,由此可知那些所谓“清空弹夹”的新闻都是“肺科纽斯”,谣言止于智者,请大家不信谣不传谣,所有真实发生的关于美帝的负面新闻都是俄国人的阴谋!

      3、果断呼叫增援:

      这说明美国警察证据意识强,深明“一人为私两人为公“的先进管理理念,为保证执法过程的国政、公平和公开,不怕堆积警力,只为了捍卫程序正义!

      4、后来一群警察叫了45分钟门:

      这说明美国警察不但任劳任怨,而且耐心极佳,在工作过程中不怕花时间,总是尽量试图用温和的方式去面对潜在的抗法分子。因为在他们眼中,所有未经审判有罪的嫌疑人,都是无罪的良民!

      5、开锁后,一群警察冲进去:

      这说明美国警察在工作过程中不顾个人安危,以完成使命为己任。做事有冲劲,做人讲团队,有组织有纪律,而非是没有经过专业训练的盲流!有这样冲锋在前不怕女人的警察保护,老百姓真的可以安心的!

      6、在遭到女子攻击后,迅速退出房间:

      拥有各种枪械和警用装备的警察,在遭到女子的埋伏时,并没有为了保护自己的安全而盲目射击,而是严格遵循“私人财产不可侵犯”的城堡传统,牢记“风可进雨可进警察不乱进”的工作守则,选择在第一时间主动离开私人住宅,这是对个人财产的最高敬意!

      7、被刺伤后才被迫反击:

      这说明美国警察对待人民如对待亲人,不到万不得已,都是一直尝试用更温和的非致命性武力进行说服工作。而在遭到生命威胁时,警察们又能果断地开枪还击。在那样一个混乱的状态下,他们能做到“和平模式”与“致命模式”的迅速切换,说明他们平时是下了苦工练习的。这是何等的“干一行爱一行精一行”精神!

      8、带去的警犬没有发挥作用:

      这说明美国人是真的爱护动物,狗权=人权,何况是手无寸铁且没有手枪防身的警犬?美国警察没有让警犬先上,充分说明了他们对动物的关爱——对狗斗这么好,何况对人?美帝,人权的榜样,狗权的模范!

      9、事件发生后的应对:

      事件发生后,美国警方没有选择掩盖事实,没有选择粉饰太平,更没有选择操控舆论,而是在第一时间发布了多角度、多人的当事视频,并且在第一时间解释事情得来龙去脉。因为在美国警察眼中,相较于可能会遭遇到的指控,他们更在意执法过程的透明度!

      可以说,我们永远都可以新任这些任劳任怨、恪尽职守、服务人民、执法公正、严格律己的美国警察!

      向你们致敬!

      (升星条旗,国歌起!)

    • 家园 不用这么着急拉中国来给美国洗地吧

      徐纯合的案子根本就不能相提并论,开枪是无可厚非的。而且之后中国警察加强了非致命设备的装备,盾牌、防暴叉之类的。前不久好像有个女的挥刀袭警就圆满解决了,没开枪。

      • 家园 没有什么洗地,只不过觉得很多高华很可笑罢了

        Yan Li 的案子里,她的确拿着刀冲出来刺伤了警察。然后警察开了枪。徐纯合的案子里有刀吗?

        徐纯合的案子,高华们一片叫好,死了个屌丝而已。他们自然不认为自己也是屌丝。实际上呢?学历、身份、钱财,Yan Li 都有,但这些高华看重的东西,自以为让他们有别于屌丝的东西,在美国一钱不值。HOA 照样谋夺她的财产,警察照样还是把她杀了。

        所以没有什么洗地,只不过觉得很多高华,尤其是当初说徐纯合是希特勒的高华们很可笑罢了。他们支持警察枪杀屌丝,只不过认为他们不是屌丝,是警察的保护对象。实际上呢?连屌丝都不如。

        • 家园 徐纯合是没刀,但他抢了警察的警棍 -- 有补充

          还摔自己的女儿。警察已经制不住他了,不得以开的枪。河里我没看见说徐希特勒的,大多数都是认为建议要有可行性,要给警察留有自行判断和动用武力的余地。你极端化别人的发言,故意上纲上线,以及用社会地位等因素加戏,实在不必。要是我给你上纲上线,就要问你居心何在了,是不是想中国警察被舆论攻击,捆得死死的,重演昆明悲剧?

          作者 对本帖的 补充(1)
          家园 所以讨论问题就讨论问题 -- 补充帖

          不要看着一点相似就强行拉到一起。不要随便给别人的观点加料,什么看着屌丝所以叫好之类。

        • 见前补充 4718883
    • 家园 法律并不天然正义,法律的正义性是人赋予的。

      法律是统治阶级意志的体现,调节社会关系,这个关于法律的定性,河里不知道的人数,就算不是零,也不超过个位数吧?李艳女士惨遭杀害就事,扣法律有意思么?有意思,最少可以让一部分人知道或更知道要遵循当地的东西;扣法律有意思么?没意思,李艳女士就因这么点事惨遭杀害了。

      李艳女士的事情是孤例么?因欠一点钱被赶出房子的事,在美国应该是常见的吧。美国无家可归者近年人数增加这个是真事么?欠点物业费,房贷一时交不上,房地产税,个税,抚养费,还有其他各种各样欠一点小钱被收房子被贱卖房子的事,在美国有没有?常见不常见?多不多?被拍卖抵伟的房子卖得贱不贱?

      我是一直不看好国内开征房地产税的。税收这个东西,特别是个人财产税方面,基本上也就是实质上的劫贫济富,也是说着漂亮的的话做着肮脏的事。

      瞎扯五之房地产税

      通宝推:胖老猫,
      • 家园 房产证已经合法了

        怎么处理这些房叔房婶房哥呢?

        如何处理他们的不法和导致的不公呢?

        是,以后房子要贬值,可是那是以后呢。

        • 家园 猪吃药治不了狗生病。

          房地产税的迷惑性就在于道理说得似模似样,但经不起推敲和实证。

          房地产税的逻辑是这样的:1征税2持有成本高3减持4降房价。问题在哪?在于2是否必然3,3是否必然4。持有成本高在两个条件之下不成问题:A有足够的资金投入B有足够持有利润,就是有钱能卖高价,2不是问题,2并不必然导致3,3并不必然导致4。想想,谁能解决2?怎么样解决2?房地产税只会造成房地产行业的兼并和集中,进一步推高房地产价格,形成类似李家城李家坡一样的李家国。再想想,当初为什么推商业地产?当初为什么以香港新加坡为商业地产的学习目标?

          其实房地产税降房价的推理链条一点都不高深,只是宣传上带一下节奏,然后一群苦大仇深的人基于对共产党的信任,自行脑补,一切往好的方向想,而忽略了金融房地产行业事实上并非由共产党真正把持,而是由国内外资本势力把持,并能跟共产党争持了二十多年,不单不败,还处于上风。有个说法,骗子要把目标当傻瓜,那个傻瓜会自动脑补帮骗子完善所有漏洞,合理化所有疑点。

          金融房地产问题当中的囤房现象,可以看死新形势下的土地兼并。摊丁入亩,是提高了土地持有税,阻止得了土地兼并么?降低得了佃租成本么?历史有答案。现实中,重庆试行房地产税较早,好像还有几个地方,房地产税也偿试了十年八年,能控制住房价和囤房么?从九十年代商品房初期到现在,真正能阻挡一下房地产价格的手段,就是限贷,限制资金进入,但是这个手段被“金融创新”和“货币棚改”轻松击穿。

          金融房地产现象是内外资本勾结并控制了一部分权力,对社会进行的金融掠夺和土地兼并。房叔房姐无非就是一些跟着吃点的小虾毛,也就是大鳄推出来挡枪的炮灰,同时也是大鳄的血食。干掉房叔房姐?那就出来新的房叔房姐房爷房奶。

          通宝推:愣头兔,
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