主题：”老乐“不认为“洗衣粉”当年骗了美大多数人——他是不是在撒谎 -- 凤兮凤兮
家园 估计你能找到n！篇。
家园 在我的定义里，老乐不算是撒谎 他（她/它）应该算是真正融入了自己所处的文化环境的模范代表，所以你的这个问题就相当于在讨论：当一个虔诚的耶教徒对你说，不信上帝的人死后都要下地狱，算不算是在撒谎
楼里河友dfindy帖子里最后那句，“洗衣粉的事放在美国历史里看是标准流程，而非例外，中国人大惊小怪反而让旁观者诧异”，我觉得相当精准。楼主花了这么大力气，以为自己是在向对方怼脸输出，但很可能在对方或旁观者看来，反而像是中了套，遇上像楼下这样善于跟你在细节上纠缠的，你就更逃不掉了
洗衣粉这事最大的意义，并非证明美帝的无耻，而是作为标签，在可预见的未来一直被提及这样的公众意识。在这一点上，国内近年的学习挺有进步。就比如谈论拜大统领的时候，偷选票、窜稀之类的标签基本都是直接上，虽然确有不少知乎微博的大V很鄙视网民的智商，但基本也都是在他们自己小圈子里自high，谁要想出圈来跟大众辩论是否真的有那些破事，多半会被当奇行种围观
通宝推：梓童,潜望镜,journal,冻雨,大胖子,李根,玉米菜,唐家山,家园 一个曾设套构陷河友的美国政府雇员+HJ，你还真有交流的兴趣。 如果人在美加，或者经常去美加，是嫌自己砝码太轻，赶不上孟晚舟吗？
通宝推：凤兮凤兮,玉米菜,家园 2018年3月，禁化武组织祝贺伊拉克销毁化学武器 新华社发稿的。
“公报说，伊拉克２００９年３月申报了存放在境内两处仓库里的化学武器。由于现场安全条件不允许，伊拉克未能立即启动销毁化武。安全问题解决后，销毁工作于２０１７年开始。”
首先，伊拉克是有化学武器的，两伊战争用过，海湾战争后镇压库尔德人也用过。
海湾战争和伊拉克战争没敢（或者没来得及）用，并不能说明它没有。
其次，鲍威尔不可能拿一管真正的化武试剂到联合国会场吧？
家园 那只是能制造化武的原材料，不是化武。老梗了，不是救命稻草 那只是能制造化武的原材料，不是化武。老梗了，不是救命稻草。
根据美国中央情报局“伊拉克调查小组”有关伊拉克武器问题的调查报告。
伊拉克由于1991年海湾战争的打击和联合国10多年的制裁，萨达姆政权不再有制造化武等大规模杀伤性武器的能力。且1991年海湾战争之后就没有 再生产大规模杀伤性武器。
家园 您这是质疑禁化武组织的声明还是推翻新华社的翻译呢？ https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2018/03/opcw-director-general-congratulates-iraq-complete-destruction-chemical#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20welcome%20this%20notable%20achievement%20and%20congratulate%20the,from%20the%20Chemical%20Weapons%20Convention%2C%E2%80%9D%20stated%20the%20Director-General.
网上找原文不难吧？！
家园 您这是质疑“伊拉克调查小组”向国会的报告呢还是质疑国会的愚蠢 您这是质疑“伊拉克调查小组”向美国国会的报告呢还是质疑国会的愚蠢？
你所举的原帖分明写的是“化学武器残余物”。
从知乎上找到一个2009年伊拉克提交的初次申报的报道：
NTI（防止大规模杀伤性武器的机构）网站的文章：India Completes Chemical Weapons Disposal; Iraq Declares Stockpile：
"Iraq submitted its initial declaration on 12 March 2009, and has declared two bunkers with filled and unfilled chemical weapons munitions, some precursors, as well as five former chemical weapons production facilities," Pfirter said last week.“
Iraq's history with chemical weapons is well known. The Hussein regime developed blister and nerve agents, and then used them against Iran and Iraqi Kurds in the 1980s. Tens of thousands of munitions and nearly 700 metric tons of warfare materials were destroyed in the years after the first Gulf War, but suspicions in Washington persisted that Baghdad had not fully dismantled its arsenal, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
The U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified partly on the threat posed by the regime's alleged WMD activities. No indications of existing unconventional weapons operations were found after the war (see GSN, March 20). Iraq joined the Chemical Weapons Convention earlier this year
The declaration contained no surprises, OPCW spokesman Michael Luhan indicated. The production facilities were "put out of commission" by airstrikes during the 1991 conflict, while U.N. personnel afterward secured the chemical munitions in the bunkers, he said.
"These are legacy weapons, remnants," Luhan told Global Security Newswire today. He declined to discuss how many weapons were stored in the bunkers or what materials they contained. The weapons are not believed to be in a usable state.“